02:48 <phire> lina: I've been thinking about rust vs c.

02:48 <phire> Really, your main motivation for going with rust is that it allows you to hide auto-generated code as proc_macros, and the thread on rust-for-linux seems to indicate that they are uneasy about using proc_macros?

02:48 <phire> Perhaps it's better to consider a solution that automatically generates c code with a small perl script (they already do a bit of auto-header generation with perl)

02:48 <phire> and then push the discussion to a larger mailing list about which would be better, perl or proc_macro?

02:51 <phire> A small perl script would be way more sane than the preprocessor abuse you hinted at; and wouldn't hinder stepping though with a debugger

03:40 <lina> phire: That's only half the story, the other half is just being able to juggle all these firmware structures safely

03:41 <lina> The RfL folks are uneasy about using too many proc macros, but it kind of is necessary here, and I think they would agree once they see what I'm doing...

03:41 <lina> Also, for what it's worth, proc macros do work well with debuggers (the token span information is preserved)

03:43 <lina> And they can work with IDE integration too (though it's broken on mine right now, but I'm pretty sure that can be fixed, it just doesn't get loaded), which a perl preprocessor can't...

03:47 <phire> Yeah, I agree that proc_macro is the superior solution. Just thinking we should be clear about what it's completing against

03:56 <TellowKrinkle[m]> Is there a standalone AGX disassembler available?

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04:42 <phire> TellowKrinkle[m]: I think dougall has some tooling

04:42 <phire> https://github.com/dougallj/applegpu

18:19 <Sobek[m]> As someone who has done an OS in C and spent his PhD writing rust. The safety and guarantees rust provide, along with a much better type system are valuable. The proc_macro thing that Lina used is anecdotal imho. I think the discussion I’ve read on the ML wasn’t hostile to the specific use case from Lina. Worst case there are alternâtes way this could be done.

18:19 <Sobek[m]> Worst case, some things can be re-written easily if needed, and I think the rust compiler is highly beneficial to code quality.