11:14 <libv> anarsoul: as was my plan when i started down this path.

11:14 <libv> single out img with the unstable driver stack, which i had the misfortune of working with at nokia.

11:15 <libv> what i had not calculated was that arm would be _that_ hostile towards open source

11:16 <libv> and it took until 2017 for jem davies to leave his post as head of mpd

11:17 <libv> and only now, when nvidia is danger of buying arm and making mpd obsolete, are they actively thinking about it at arm

11:17 <libv> img has had the most to gain from going open source from day 1.

11:17 <libv> but they have always had excuses, like; ENOMONEY

11:17 <libv> which is much better than "i hate linux as it killed riscos"

11:18 <apritzel> libv: that's not true, nvidia has nothing to do with that

11:18 <libv> (which it didn't, but that's what the rumours about jem davies say)

11:18 <libv> apritzel: what then?

11:18 <libv> apritzel: why did it take a decade?

11:18 <libv> for some minor corrections to already publicly known information?

11:18 <apritzel> there is/was simply no business model for the current customers (Android/deeply embedded Linux) which would justify the investment

11:19 <apritzel> e.g. Allwinner won't be spending a single penny more for getting an OpenSource driver from Arm

11:19 <libv> apritzel: there was much more than that

11:20 <libv> apritzel: when did you join arm?

11:20 <apritzel> yes, but this is the money part of it

11:20 <apritzel> libv: when did you? ;-)

11:20 <libv> when codethink ran into money issues in 2012 they laid me off, as i was very unhappy with how lima was being treated

11:21 <apritzel> libv: also, wasn't this discussion about PowerVR?

11:21 <libv> the phonecall included the sentence: "we have told arm already that we are getting rid of you, so that they will do business with us again"

11:22 <libv> apritzel: i have heard from two separate sides that jem davies hates anything open source, and would block it regardless

11:24 <apritzel> I don't know about that (and wouldn't comment anyway), but I don't see how this matters now

11:27 <libv> anyway, img has been more receptive from the start, especially since they became the underdog

11:27 <libv> and the prospect of open sourcing was discussed in several all hands in the 2013-2015 era

19:01 <diego71> TIL: cedrus is in debian stable, I can watch h264 video in plain debian on a64

19:01 <gamiee> diego71: which player?

19:51 <ndufresne> gamiee: I'd recommand clapper, https://itsfoss.com/clapper-video-player/

19:52 <gamiee> so clapper supports v4l2 request api I suppose

19:52 <gamiee> (ah, it uses gstreamer, and gstreamer have plugin for v4l2 req)

19:52 <ndufresne> not sure if it's packaged in debian, but being GTK4, it will handle native texture streaming, meaning if you have working kernel driver and working gstreamer (5.9 kernel + gst 1.18, 5.14 kernel and dev release of gst), it will at least have a fast path to GL

19:53 <ndufresne> unlike Totem, which does not know what a DMAbuf is

19:53 <ndufresne> now its tricky and early to get all things working mainline