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<pq> clever, that's going to be hard to put into good use for practical reasons if you don't also have a GPU. Not impossible but awkward.
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<pq> daniels, wonder if some Weston CI jobs need bigger timeouts: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/jobs/13891809 - after retry it finished in 2 mins.
<daniels> pq: yeah, they're running so many tests now that we probably want to bump the timeout to 120sec anyway, then the timeout multiplier would carry that to 8min which ... should be enough
<pq> daniels, it's not the per-test-timeout, but the job timeout that is 5 mins now.
<pq> looks like .build-env defines the timeout 5m
<daniels> pq: yeah, we'd need to bump that higher as well - I think 15min would be totally fine tbh
<daniels> pq: but the job you pointed to has the individual tests banging into timeout as well, so those would also need to be bumped
<pq> oh yeah, it managed to hit *both* timeouts at the same time :-D
<daniels> otoh, given that the retry passed with the offending tests taking 0.43s / 1.66s / 12.37s / 24.21s, something is clearly pathologically wrong with that run
<pq> yup
<pq> should I prep patches to bump both timeouts anyway?
<daniels> please, and consider them acked by me
<pq> alright
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<Ezo> is it possible to start wayland without using display managers, just like startx (xorg-xinit)? if yes, can someone drop a link so I can follow it. thank you
<pq> Ezo, yes, but you would be running whatever command your DE or compositor needs to run. Wayland per se is not a runnable.
<Ezo> pq, do you have any tutorials to do that or what keyword should i search on search engine?
<ifreund> Ezo: wayland is just a protocol, how you start a wayland compositor depends on the compositor
<ifreund> for many, simply running them from a tty is all you need to do
<ifreund> (i.e. there is no startx equivalent)
<Ezo> okay, thank you for clarification. i use river btw
<ifreund> oh, well in that case just running river from a tty is all you should need to do
<ifreund> if you run into issues feel free to join us in #river on libera.chat
<Ezo> that sounds good! and yes, I will join there. thank you!
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<daniels> pq: I'm also not sure why it ran for so long, given that the only jobs overlapping in execution were the docs build and the clang build+test ... unless the doc generation is a total DoS?
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<pq> daniels, literally nothing else on the runner?
<daniels> pq: yep :\
<pq> sphinx could be anything I guess
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<daniels> or doxygen?
<pq> who knows
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<pq> maybe something randomly exploded in qemu or the kernel
<pq> no logs to see that
<wlb> weston Merge request !692 opened by Pekka Paalanen (pq) ci: bump test timeouts https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/merge_requests/692 [CI]
<Ezo> how are you able to bold a text?
<pq> my CI timeout bumping patch is failing CI...
<daniels> Ezo: in IRC, you can't really
<Ezo> I see.
<daniels> pq: infra flap, fixed now
<pq> some IRC clients may interpret some patterns as to be shown as bold, others will probably see the mark-up as-is (garbage).
<pq> thanks
<wlb> weston/main: Pekka Paalanen * ci: bump test timeouts https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/commit/645df9556da3 .gitlab-ci.yml tests/meson.build
<wlb> weston Merge request !692 merged \o/ (ci: bump test timeouts https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/merge_requests/692)
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<SardemFF7> does anyone see the "weston" in wlb messages as not bold? (and with an IRC client that do not strip colours)
<daniels> yeah, I see bold and colours as well which I guess are ANSI?
<daniels> but then I don't know of an easy way to insert ANSI escape sequences from most clients
<pq> I don't think even utf-8 is quite working yet. Colors? Madness! :-p
<SardemFF7> UTF-8 is much more recent than colours on IRC :-D
<daniels> ̴ͣ̓̓̃ͯ̄̈ͤͧ͐̅̏̄ͣ̎̑҉͇͕͉͍̪͚͙f͑̾͆ͣͯ̑́̔҉̛͙̤͍ȋ̴̬̬̩̲̯͉̪͇͍̱̖̣̖̰̦̠̲͆͆̽̂ͩ͒̌͊ͩͫ̈́͒̈́ͫn̞̻̝͖̠͈̩̱̣̙̝̰̭̰̤͎͉̳͒̿ͧ͌ͫͧ̔̃͒ͩͭ͌̄̍̾̆ͣ̑́̚͠͝ͅe̛̪͚̬̾͗́ͪͦ͒͛̏̄͊̑̌͑ͭ̍̉́͢ͅ
<daniels> ̣̘̠̗͓̠͖̞̲̣̠̏̇̽̀̚f̴̧ͣ̉ͤ͌̐̓̓̌ͤ́ͪ̐̓ͧ̐̊͞͏͖̘͔̲͈͓̟̻̪̝̬͎ȍ͕̜̤͍̻͍̣̱̘͚̖̪̮̟̖͔̹͎ͩͤ̿ͮ̂̚͠ͅȑ̞̱̲̻͉̩̠̒̆͋̂ͯ̀ ̪̠̦̲̻̳͕͉̹̩̝̘̮̦̈́͑ͯ͐̃̔͒̊̿ͭ͂͆̕͟͞͞m̉̓ͤͬ̆ͩ͑͗͊ͯ̓ͨ̈̍ͧ͂ͥ͊ͣ҉̴̧̳̮̥̘̭͍̯̱̜́͝e̎̈̇́ͪ̓ͨ͏̩̘͖̹̖̩̠̦̹̖̮̬̬̪̱́͘ͅ
<daniels> huh
<daniels> pq: w͚͓̻͚͍̋̿ͥ̐̃̒ͥ̑̒ͥͣͩ̕̕̕͡ỏ̒͑̏̉ͧ̾ͩ̓̏ͫ́̾͂ͥ̏̂͛̕҉҉͎̜͔͔̺̦̹̖̩͎̺͓͎̫r̢̰̪͓̤̻̟̦̭͑͑̒́̎̇̃̈́̔ͨ̎͘͢͝k̷̮͍̯̻̗̙̘͈͕̳͙̞̜ͪ͆̒͐̔͝ṣ̶̬̦̟̰͎̼̾ͯ͐ͫ͆͐̊̓̏ͪ̓̀͘͜͟
<daniels> ok, maybe Zalgo was a little ambitious
<pq> looks like I need to clean my display now
<daniels> but, like, the bæsîçs are fine
<pq> there are still people who don't see my scandinavian characters right, but did in the... ISO/IEC 8859-1 or -15 days?
<SardemFF7> I remember Xchat had a really nice hybrid encoding mode, where it tried UTF-8 then fallback to ISO-8859-15 (or the other way around)
<pq> also too much trouble to figure out where it goes wrong, a bit like trying to make big-endian graphics work
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<pq> how do you even "try" something like that?
<pq> no, actually I don't want to know.
<jadahl> irssi had/has a iso-8859-15/utf-8 hybrid mode too
<pq> till tomorrow \o.
<jadahl> it was useful during the transition time
<jadahl> from latin1 to utf8
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<pq> did the transition time end yet? I don't think I got the memo.
<jadahl> you still use latin1?
<daniels> jadahl: oh, I thought you knew who Pekka was
<jadahl> I missed the XDC in Helsinki, so haven't judged in person
<jadahl> it's the only way to know someones encoding preference
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<kennylevinsen> Baudot code is the way to go
<wrl> ITA2 gang
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<wlb> wayland-protocols Issue #59 opened by Simon Ser (emersion) linux-dmabuf: figure out a good way to broadcast set of supported formats/modifiers https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/issues/59
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<wlb> weston Issue #543 opened by Link Mauve (linkmauve) Assert failure on Super-Tab to a destroyed surface https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/issues/543 [Desktop shell]
<wlb> weston Issue #544 opened by Link Mauve (linkmauve) Assert failure when removing an external monitor https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/issues/544 [DRM/KMS backend]
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<clever> pq: mostly just as a first trial run, before i get the gpu online fully
<clever> pq: i have done both 2d and 3d from baremetal, but the arm core cant access them yet
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