00:02 <amw> j`ey: Thanks

00:04 <j`ey> amw: its 1am, so I wouldnt expect an immediate response!

00:32 <chadmed> jannau: thanks for the PR, i was actually going to do that myself todaay but you beat me by a couple of hours :P

00:45 <steev> amw: typically debian kernel devs want to see the patches accepted into -next before they'll pull it in

00:46 <steev> and 200 patches is a lot to ask

00:46 <steev> they also hang out in #debian-kernel

00:52 <chadmed> you could also just create a deb package for the asahi kernel could you not

00:52 <psykose> debian might have a new enough kernel for asahi in 5-6 years or so, give them time

00:53 <chadmed> lmao

00:53 <chadmed> i remember when i first tried vanilla debian because i got sick of ubuntu. i managed to install it just fine and then realised the newest version of plasma was somewhere in the mid 4s

00:54 <psykose> yeah i really don't know who uses debian with stock repos only

00:54 <chadmed> ive long since migrated all my systems to gentoo

00:54 <chadmed> enterprise customers who dont want to pay redhat but need guaranteed stability

00:55 <chadmed> there is a place for debian, it's just not in client compute where people want modern and dynamic systems

00:55 <psykose> i suppose that makes sense

00:55 <psykose> and i'm too young to get it

00:55 <chadmed> yeah the point is you can just to apt install $package and know it is going to work and keep working forever

00:56 <chadmed> you think businesses want to deal with some bleeding edge distro too eagerly adopting a new version of nginx that breaks the ABI for some other stupid thing they plug into it?

00:56 <chadmed> i mean if i were a sysadmin at a business id love for that to happen just to give me something to do

00:57 <chadmed> but every second of downtime or requiring >L2 techs and sysadmins to be doing stuff is them burning money and they just dont want to deal with that

00:59 <steev> eh

01:00 <steev> https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/linux they have 5.19 rc6 in experimental, 5.18 in testing and unstable, they're not *that* out of date. and even stable's 5.10.127 was released at the beginning of june

01:01 <steev> they also have backports, so you can use 5.18 in stable

01:01 <chadmed> i think psykose was joking about the 5-6 year bit

01:11 <steev> people often do... unfortunately, many people take it and run and repeat it as gospel

02:27 <amw> steev: I'll have a look at what patches are actually needed for a 5.18 or 5.19 to boot this evening

02:28 <steev> sounds good

04:41 <amw> ok - linux asahi is 173 commits from 5.19 - https://paste.debian.net/1249157/

05:57 <chadmed> im going to add a section to the feature support page to track upstreaming statistics

05:57 <chadmed> i had a really crappy way of tracking it before but just diffing out upstream vs asahi and counting the patches seems way easier than what i was doing and is more informative

06:26 <mps> chadmed: maybe psykose joking but this joke is not far from truth ime :)