01:35 <chadmed_> chaos_princess: can you please check https://github.com/chadmed/fex-rootfs/tree/mesa/hk for anything obviously incorrect when you have 5 minutes? not sure if i was supposed to bump all the date args of if thats a you/releng thing

07:21 <chaos_princess> right, i probably need to write down how that whole mess of a ci works.

07:22 <chaos_princess> All of that looks correct at the first glance, aside from the docker container - no need to rebuild that, but it is harmless

07:25 <chaos_princess> Or maybe not, the dates in mesa and primary should match, since mesa date is used to pull the rootfs that it will build against.

07:52 <chadmed> as in, the docker container should match mesa?

07:53 <chadmed> thats not possible since the last docker build was 20241007

07:53 <chadmed> or the tagged fex-rootfs date should match mesa?

07:58 <chaos_princess> the "release=" in mesa build script should match an existing fex-rootfs release

07:59 <chaos_princess> also, TIMESTAMP_L comes from here https://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/amd64/autobuilds/

08:03 <chadmed> ack

08:11 <chadmed> so to make it "work" i guess the correct sequence for commits is to bump the rootfs first and then bump mesa?

08:12 <chadmed> and do it in two PRs so that the CI runs trigger separately?

08:19 <chaos_princess> yes, or let the mesa build fail and restart it after rootfs finishes

08:20 <chadmed> okie doke, ill split the bump mesa commit then

08:21 <chadmed> the things we do for free builds

08:24 <chaos_princess> i already fired off a rootfs build

08:25 <chadmed> oh ok ill just rebase

08:29 <chadmed> okay done on the same branch, i think i got it right this time

08:30 <chaos_princess> close enough, i will fix it up once my builds finish

08:31 <chadmed> thanks :)

08:31 <chaos_princess> i need to figure out a way to let y'all use my runners and not be able to mine crypto or exfiltrate the disk contents

08:33 <chadmed> yea idk what the best way to do that is

08:33 <chadmed> id say set up forgejo runner and hook it up to my forgejo instance so at least theres a limited-scope interface

08:34 <chaos_princess> have a control loop that waits for jobs to be posted, fire up an ephemeral vm, and launch the runner there. There is already something like that on gh actions "marketplace", but they use kubernetes for control loop

08:35 <chadmed> i think forgejo runner does that? it runs in a docker container at least

08:35 <chadmed> but theres a big warning at the top saying its alpha and not to use it for prod

08:36 <chadmed> honestly at this point i think i might just buy a ups and rebuild my 5700x machine

08:38 <chaos_princess> i've attached my runner manually for now, so while extra effort, at least this build will be done today

08:38 <chadmed> nah that thing is way too noisy

08:38 <chadmed> when i buy a home its going to have a giant air conditioned sound proofed cupboard with a 48U rack

08:40 <chadmed> the other option temporarily would be like an aws or azure vm but whos got the money for that even b2ms is like AU$150 a month these days its ridiculous

08:41 <chaos_princess> So, another thing i have is a bunch of unspent cloud credits on various clouds for reasons :P

08:43 <chaos_princess> but yea, aws/azure/etc are just absurdly expensive when hetzner&friends exist

09:01 <chadmed> i just refuse to use them all on principle

09:01 <chadmed> i am forced to endure cloud nonsense at work and i would like my fun happy time computers to not be painful or expensive to use

09:03 <chaos_princess> nah, its fine, those are expensive to buy, not to use

09:04 <chadmed> well the m2 max studio is until we sort out cluster power gating :p

09:05 <chaos_princess> is power expensive in aussieland?

09:05 <chadmed> idk i _say_ 12 W idle is bad but then i look at some poor folks with their 50 W idle rgb gaming turbofans

09:05 <chadmed> well not right now due to based left faction of labor being in charge (we all get $1000 credits making it effectively free)

09:05 <chadmed> but the nominal price is $0.38/kWh and a daily $1.12 "service charge" where i live

09:07 <chadmed> i have a 5 kW PV array that feeds back in at $0.44/kWh so its not so bad, plus the retail price is entirely due to previous nutjob crony capitalist governments subsidising private fossil fuel generators and making it effectively illegal for them to transition to renewables and firming storage

09:07 <chadmed> its coming down now that theyre gone and we're spamming wind, solar and hydro but it needs to come down faster

09:09 <chaos_princess> oh, that is not bad

09:09 <chadmed> yeah i think at current exchange rates it ends up being like 0,18 EUR per kWh or thereabouts

09:11 <chadmed> it is very high for historical australian standards though, and sadly due almost entirely due to ideologically blind governments forcing EOL coal plants to stay open at an enormous subsidised loss

09:11 <chadmed> other states (not mine) also privatised their transmission networks about 15 years ago which caused prices to go up about 1200% in those states, but the federal regulator sets prices nationwide so the other sane states were also punished for that decision

09:13 <chadmed> its a joke, they launched an inquiry into why prices exploded around that time and the new owners of those transmission monopolies were like "well ermm we are future proofing the network with capital expenditure to deal with climate change and renewables"

09:13 <chaos_princess> hahahaha

09:13 <chadmed> then about 3 years ago all of those states (again not mine) faced load shedding and network failure due to an inability to handle the sheer volume of rooftop PV coming in during the day

09:13 <chaos_princess> future proofing any privately owned infra? i will believe it when i see it

09:13 <chadmed> and so those same monopoly owners were like "we should start charging people to have solar instead of paying them for the energy they produce"

09:13 <chadmed> absolutely vile

09:15 <chadmed> https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/may/19/why-are-some-australian-households-about-to-be-charged-for-generating-too-much-solar-power muuuummmm the insane neoliberals are neoliberaling again

09:15 <chaos_princess> arguably, if solar backfeed allows you to get the price of connection to the grid to zero or negative, it is mispriced, but that is most likely not the case there

09:16 <chadmed> well the issue is more of a historical one - the utterly deranged feed in tariff i get is from like 12 years ago when state governments were clamouring to get people to take up rooftop PV

09:17 <chadmed> there was no battery storage at the time obviously so the deal was you would get a guaranteed enormous export rate if you got rooftop PV

09:17 <chadmed> it was literally too successful so they canned the scheme and now the actual market value of power from PV is closer to like $0.08/kWh

09:17 <chadmed> but they grandfathered people who already had it

09:17 <chadmed> now its hindering battery takeup

09:19 <chadmed> the main issue though is like i said from like 2013 to 2022 we had an ideologically blinded government who pursued a "keep the coal burning at literally any cost" policy

09:20 <chadmed> in my state we literally had a coal plant explode due to it being over 60 years old and poorly maintained and they came out with "see this is because we have too much renewables"

09:20 <chadmed> it got to the point where they made it effectively illegal for retirement funds to invest in renewables projects (one of the most profitable investments here)

09:21 <chaos_princess> and those are the same kind of people who yell about free markets being the best things since sliced bread if someone even suggests maybe not allowing dangerous products to be sold

09:22 <chadmed> when these people screech and piss and shid about "freedom" what they mean is freedom for their ingroup from being bound by any restrictions or impositions

09:22 <chadmed> to these people there is a group of people which the law must bind but not protect and their group, which the law must protect but never bind

09:23 <chadmed> but anyway thank you for coming to my ted talk on why i cant use my old ryzen gaming pc as an always on builder

10:20 <LarstiQ> chadmed: I appreciate the talk! And yeah your previous government is something else