09:55 <sven> remote access is usually not that helpful unless something very specific has to be tested fwiw

09:58 <j`ey> also remote access requires two machines, the mac and another able to run m1n1

10:02 <sven> yeah, that too

12:15 <sven> and the atcphy code I wrote during 37c3 and on that train broke usb3 again it seems *sigh*

14:47 <zzywysm_> do any Apple Silicon Macs need USB_XHCI_PCI_RENESAS in their kernel config?

14:49 <j`ey> no just ASMEDIA

14:50 <zzywysm_> thx

14:51 <j`ey> thomsa: you can donate hardware by donating money, so people can buy hw?

14:51 <sven> once we have thunderbolt some dock might use a renesas xhci controller I guess

14:51 <sven> dunno how likely that is though

14:52 <j`ey> I think markan only has the M3 Max model, not the Pro or base variant, which eventually he will probably want to get

14:52 <thomsa> ok, cause i bought myself a macbook m3 a few weeks ago, and realized that the limitations of MacOS is not something i want to deal with, even the hardware is great. this is my first apple device, and the reason i bought it was because of the apple silicon SoC architecture

14:52 <j`ey> thomsa: but from earlier while you were afk: https://oftc.irclog.whitequark.org/asahi-dev/2024-01-02#32792680;

14:53 <thomsa> ok i'll check that out

14:53 <j`ey> but basicaly remotely donating is not useful for the first portng steps

14:53 <thomsa> yeah i was off all day yesterday because the internet went out at my apt building

14:54 <sven> I don’t think lack of hardware is the bottleneck for initial bringup right now anyway

14:54 <thomsa> ok, i kind of figured that people would need physical access to do the low level RE

14:54 <sven> dberlin has done some initial m3 bringup work fwiw

14:54 <j`ey> (on M£ Max)

14:54 <j`ey> lol M£

14:54 <sven> :D

14:55 <thomsa> well, i suppose where should i start with the M3 pro max if i were to do some work on asahi project?

14:55 <sven> ah, I thought it was a pro but I probably misremembered

14:56 <thomsa> i have a max btw

14:56 <sven> I think there are some pull requests for m1n1 for initial m3 support

14:56 <j`ey> thomsa: all you can do right now is load (patched) m1n1..

14:57 <j`ey> https://github.com/AsahiLinux/m1n1/pulls

14:57 <j`ey> you'd need a device tree for the m3 before trying to load linux

14:57 <sven> first step would be to get that running, then the next step would be to create an initial device tree for m3

14:57 <zzywysm_> clearly j`ey has money on the brain if he's dropping pound symbols...

14:57 <j`ey> zzywysm_: ;)

14:57 <j`ey> oh, linux needs to be updated for aic3 too

14:58 <sven> and then see what works and what doesn’t. usb won’t work since the tipd chip has a new bus (spmi instead of i2c)

14:58 <sven> oh, right, so first step would be to add aic3 support

14:58 <sven> Linux kinda needs a working interrupt controller to boot :D

14:58 <thomsa> all righty, aic3 support

14:59 <zzywysm_> Linux is so demanding like that

14:59 <sven> might be a good initial project as well, I think dberlin already worked out how it works and what changed

14:59 <j`ey> yup, there's a PR for AIC3 in m1n1

14:59 <thomsa> i need to figure out if i'm gonna return this thing this week though

14:59 <j`ey> ah

15:00 <thomsa> i currently don't have time to do a lot of work on asahi and other apple stuff like Metal apps and ML

15:00 <j`ey> then unless you want to get your hands dirty or dont mind waiting, it's probably worth returning

15:00 <thomsa> but i would like the hardware go towards someone who will utilize it is maximally

15:02 <j`ey> thomsa: if you want to donate it physically, I know someone that could make good use of it..

15:03 <thomsa> can you put me in touch with them?

15:03 <j`ey> I'll PM you

15:03 <thomsa> i'm also seeing if some groups at the college i went to would want to use it

15:10 <thomsa> i've never cared about the apple world before, but i became intrigued by this architecture, and my old thinkpad has been crapping out anyway, so i bought this. i see that the hardware's great, but the software isn't there yet. (are there even any other RISC laptops available?)

15:10 <thomsa> also i should move this discussion to general shouldn't i?

15:12 <kidplayer666> there aren't too many usable risc laptops available for now

15:12 <kidplayer666> you do have the surface X or whatever with the craptastic Qualcomm cpu

15:13 <kidplayer666> you do have the extremely cheap pine64.org stuff

15:13 <kidplayer666> and you apparently have a bunch of laptops maybe coming with the new somewhat competent Snapdragon Elite X processsor (is that ever a stupid name)

15:14 <sven> please move this somewhere else

15:15 <kidplayer666> alright, no problem