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davidrysk[m] >
TellowKrinkle: I see you're here ^^ see above :)
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TellowKrinkle[m] >
Don't think it's explicitly forbidden but it's also definitely not explicitly not-forbidden
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davidrysk[m] >
Hm well you're not decompiling or disassembling their llvm
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TellowKrinkle[m] >
It's linking against their dylib using the open source llvm headers
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It does use the list of exported symbols extracted from their dylib though
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davidrysk[m] >
Yeah, marcan will have to comment on that
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davidrysk[m] >
whether listing exported symbols counts as decompiling/disassembliong
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TellowKrinkle[m] >
My biggest worry would be that it prints information from inside the dylib that isn't otherwise included in assembled object code
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If you just use the llc included as a means to assemble ir from an intel Mac I doubt it would be an issue
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(It prints the associated instruction metadata from llvm tablegen)
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(By it I mean the asmcheck program, not llc)
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Never mind looks like you don't need the symbol list, clang magically finds the dylib in the dyld cache, so we don't need the symbol list in the repo
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the only reason you'd need the symbol list is to figure out which symbols to call, but if they're plain llvm symbols and you can use llvm headers...
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You do need to call the AGX2 target initialization functions, which are not part of the normal LLVM headers (since the public version has no AGX2 target)
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yeah just run it by marcan if he doesn't see this
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davidrysk[m] >
it might be totally ok
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TellowKrinkle[m] >
I'm making a post on that issue right now
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TellowKrinkle[m] >
Alright I posted it
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davidrysk[m] >
cool :)
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thanks!
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TellowKrinkle[m] >
For the instruction metadata, I think an equivalent question would be "if a GPU manufacturer included a JSON file in their gpu driver with a list of registers and instruction scheduling data, would it be okay to use that when developing your driver?"
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I'm going to guess probably not, but not sure
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Probably jurisdiction dependent
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You'd have some argument that under US law it's just a list of facts and so not copyrightable
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But you're probably into speak to a lawyer territory
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I'm actually going to try to see if I can get a lawyer involved with us to answer questions like this
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I don't have a good answer personally
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I expect this to be more a EULA/RE problem than a copyright problem
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is linking and calling exported functions that follow the same effective API as LLVM in an Apple private framework in order to assemble LLVM IR into GPU-architecture code in violation of EULA
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and, for marcan, the policy says "contributors must not disassemble or decompile userspace graphics driver binaries", but does this fall under that prohibition
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one could argue that listing exported symbols and linking against the userspace graphics driver binaries is not disassembling or decompiling them
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on paper it does not, no
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disassembling and decompiling referse specifically to the actual object code
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my gut feeling is that this is okay; conversely, I don't think bloom needs this, so why go there. it would be nice to have a lawyer's opinion
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