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<marcan>
And to be clear, "leaked" means specifically "not via official channels".
<marcan>
In other words, stuff Apple publishes through open channels, intentionally or not, is considered equivalent for reverse engineering purposes and subject to the RE policy (which largely says you can't use it if it's copyrightable, see the RE policy for details)
<marcan>
That includes things part of public betas, user-accessible field test images, and things like that
<marcan>
Stuff stolen or leaked from Apple internal channels is a no-no
<marcan>
I make *one* exception to that second rule, leaked schematics, because there's practically no way for copyrightable content to wind up in our code from that and schematics should be available anyway for repairability purposes, and an entire industry depends on them.
<marcan>
But that's the one exception. *Definitely* no leaked images, AppleInternal tools, stuff from prototype devices that "someone forgot in a bar", etc.
<marcan>
As for schematics: so far I've used those to come up with the GPIO backlight toggle stop-gap solution - which is why it isn't available on the iMacs, no schematics for those and I haven't bothered to brute force it - and to guess a lot of SMC hardware sensor keys. That kind of stuff is, as far as the end product, safe from copyright claims, since it is just factual information, which is what ...
<marcan>
... schematics fundamentally contain.
<marcan>
Also, I only use schematics that are widely available, i.e. I managed to dig up in a web search and they can be considered effectively public. I don't want anyone bringing in anything "they got from someone", that kind of stuff is a big liability risk (and that kind of culture is also toxic to open projects).
<marcan>
professortox[m]: the register names in the wiki, to my knowledge, all came from collating references in various XNU source dumps and possibly some other public debug tools, and also guesswork (it's possible to come up with identical names to the original registers if you have related ones already, e.g. _EL12 variants are obvious, things like KNOWN_FEATURE_NAME_CFG, stuff related to pointer auth ...
<marcan>
... keys which is hinted to in XNU source, etc.)
<marcan>
sometimes there are collisions too, so you need to be mindful to not just blindly copy. e.g. Apple reused one register name for two things, and Corellium had the wrong one in the mindless chicken bit sequence copy and paste they shipped in their port. We don't want that kind of nonsense.
<marcan>
So anything that we find in public sources also needs to be confirmed to be real, and often the bit assignments can change (e.g. AArch32 bits are unimplemented in M1 and newer chips) and that should be documented too.
<marcan>
tons of references to the mythical bless2cli and bootabilityutil there... I wish we had those :)
<marcan>
a lot of that is related to what our installer does, I probably could've really used that test script if I'd known about it before writing it...
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<sven>
there was also one xnu release that contained more debug crap than usual (like that llvm bitcode for some kernel stuff)
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<sven>
marcan: didn't you have some ghidra script somewhere to deal with all those annoying vtable calls? can you point me to that one again?
<millenialhacker>
sven I found one that uses the output of another tool (which I do not remember) to help symbolicate the kernel
<millenialhacker>
Is not bullet proof but does is job. You may find some difference in pointers size (for some reason the script assume pointers of 4-bytes instead of 8-bytes)
<millenialhacker>
s/is/its/g
<sven>
thanks, let me take a look if i can convince that thing to just resolve some .kext vtables for me
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