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<amarioguy> marcan: i don't want to wade into binary re in #asahi but i looked at the reduced security tickets they root to a different root ca
<amarioguy> looked at ibss for j313 i think and it's what made that decision
<amarioguy> can't be ROM because iPad uses that same rom too
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<amarioguy> so i'm almost certain ROM requires a personalized ticket
<amarioguy> (fun note the ca it roots to is the old x86 one, guess the T2 wanted to stop by and say hi :) )
<marcan> amarioguy: yes, that tracks
<marcan> iBoot1 probably always needs to be personalized
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<nicolas17> amarioguy: interesting thing we found recently... CarPlay requires the car to authenticate itself as a certified accessory, using an Apple-provided auth chip, same as any other MFi accessory
<nicolas17> but there's now a CarPlay Simulator app in Xcode, you plug an iPhone to a Mac and it shows the car UI on the Mac... so how does *that* work? can you just grab the simulator's key and make uncertified hardware?
<chadmed> im pretty sure the chinesium manufacturers have done this already
<nicolas17> turns out it generates a SEP-backed key, and uses server-side attestation that it's SEP-backed
<marcan> cute
<nicolas17> which is why the simulator requires a T2 or AS Mac
<chadmed> you can get little boxes on aliexpress that do carplay on cars that do not support it OOTB
<amarioguy> nicolas17: there's like two attestation like things i heard of on apple
<amarioguy> one's that API
<amarioguy> from WWDC
<amarioguy> the other's the A16 one :P
<amarioguy> i love patents /s
<nicolas17> amarioguy: IIRC this uses DeviceIdentity.framework
<amarioguy> ah fair no silicon key attestation shenanigans here
<amarioguy> waiting until a17 for that one
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<nicolas17> I hate this attestation stuff, Apple is already using it for some iCloud services
<amarioguy> as markruss said: the future of computing :P
<nicolas17> I know it's used for iCloud Private Relay, but probably for other stuff too
<amarioguy> i mean it's a logical step for when they want to nuke arm based hackintoshes should those ever become a thing
<amarioguy> (yes they can very much become a thing)
<nicolas17> amarioguy: not just for that, they already try to prevent iMessage on Intel hackintosh etc :P
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