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[haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JZO82
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[haikuports/haikuports] korli 38e4719 - xash3d: fix dependencies for x86
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<nephele[x]>
Yes, one bug figured out in renga :3
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[haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JZOgE
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[haikuports/haikuports] korli 08295fc - xash3d: x86 build is broken
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<BrunoSpr>
hi all
<nephele[x]>
Hi BrunoSpr
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<NaGERST>
sad about the irc split. So many were on freenode, now they are split amongstmany irc networks. oftc, libera, quakenet and so on.
<Slor>
Yeah. I'm still trying to figure out where some of them moved.
<NaGERST>
it is a bitch to find them all and add them all to my weechat-script
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<NaGERST>
luckily i only follow twenty or so channels, so it si doable.
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<NaGERST>
Can anyone explain why this split even happened... i mean it means little to a user whom owns the company, right?
<NaGERST>
people still use apple and jobs was in privvate a total dick (or so i havev heard)
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<jezek2>
NaGERST: the last straw was when the new owner was taking over official channels because they mentioned libera in the topic (didn't matter in which context)
<NaGERST>
ok, how did he mention them?
<NaGERST>
oh i understood the statement incorreclty never mind
<jezek2>
channels were for example considering moving to libera but undecided, or they just pointed that some members are also on libera
<NaGERST>
english is not my first language, in fact it is 7th
<NaGERST>
is libera compatible with old irc clients?
<jezek2>
it is
<NaGERST>
or is it oauth crap?
<jezek2>
no it's just like freenode, haven't observed any change really
<NaGERST>
oauth is the bane of my existance currently
<NaGERST>
ever tried to connect to one? Let say you want to connect to twitch.tv , then you havve to oauth for each channel.
<NaGERST>
and the process has gotten so bad that you basicly need google chrome to do it.
<jezek2>
never seen that, but I don't connect to such services
<NaGERST>
it was an example though. And many services based on irc are doing the same.
<NaGERST>
taking down freenode and splintering us might be a pull job
<nephele[x]>
It's more decentralized now, i guess
<NaGERST>
for beter or worse? we are only 66k users after all
<NaGERST>
the population of a small town
<jezek2>
sometimes less is more :)
<NaGERST>
logged in at any time that is
<NaGERST>
the total amount is unknowable
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<NaGERST>
jezek2: good point
<NaGERST>
Life is good, beer is great and people are crazy! To quote a good country song
<nephele[x]>
I dunno, ircv3 has some nice improvements for instance, but i don't know any irc bound projects using advantage of it so
<nephele[x]>
for me it's just a communication method, and i am here exactly as long as haiku is here :)
<NaGERST>
irc is for me the last bastion of compatibility along with bbs
<NaGERST>
it just works everywhere, from a lowly c64 or a tandy to a modern system
<NaGERST>
oauth kills that
<NaGERST>
or at least impeeds it, since you would need another browser that is chrome compliant to log in your device.
<NaGERST>
but "other" device support is going away, it is really hard and cumbersome in oauth2 allready
<NaGERST>
oauth3 seems to be device specific, so i can not use another device to verify my amiga
<nephele[m]>
i havent seen any irc network wanting oauth tbh
<NaGERST>
twitch.tv is the largest irc network on earth, but every channel needs a oauth token for each user.
<NaGERST>
but it is more of a backend
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<NaGERST>
you can connect to it with any client that supports oauth1, but most channels require oauth2
<nephele[m]>
twitch is irc...?
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[haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [+5/-0/±0] https://git.io/JZ3fe
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[haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 2f9862a - tools/ipfs: Add my duct-tape ipfs data management scripts
<NaGERST>
nephele[m]: yup and always has been, it is irc with live video
<NaGERST>
i am logged in at this very moment with this same client (kvirc)
<nephele[m]>
never thought irc was responsible for so much emote spam
<NaGERST>
irc is obvious, it is tested, it works and you can set all channel preferences separately
<NaGERST>
you can ban words
<NaGERST>
syntaxes without banning words like "jewish" and allow "israel is a jewish state"
<NaGERST>
or whatevver you like
<NaGERST>
most twitch users just go with the basic spambot filter
<NaGERST>
i got a warning from the server once for using "fick" which is obscene in german whilst it is just the word "get" in swedish.
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<NaGERST>
same goes for many games with that word.
<NaGERST>
csgo had a filter for czuka (russian), but the russians just kept changing the spelling and using all kinds of accepted ansii and iso characters as well as others.
<nephele[x]>
four fine white fish for een fine white fish... i forgot the rest, yes it's quite funny how some stuff changes meaning drastically based on the language :)
<NovaForte[m]>
yea, i know a similar place where they just say nvidia or nullptr instead of the original words
<nephele[x]>
I read an article on the norwegian wikipedia today, was quite nice to already understand a bunch of it
<nephele[x]>
NaGERST: irc has one big disadvantage though, server global nicknames, i suppose servers might just not do that, but there is no other way to really identify users cross channels :)
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<NaGERST>
it is an advvantage for twitch, as they can keep track of offenders
<NaGERST>
nephele[m]: source=
<NaGERST>
?
<NaGERST>
i can read norwegian just fine
<NaGERST>
it is my third language after all
<NaGERST>
btw is there any more stupid animal than flies.... it haas been flying against the glass of an open window now for an hour.
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<countryboy>
hullo
<nephele[x]>
NaGERST: source of what?
<nephele[x]>
I have been learning norwegian casually for some months now, would be fifth language or so for me? I don't speak 7 though :P
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[haikuports/haikuports] extrowerk pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/JZ3mW
<jezek2>
NaGERST: I wouldn't consider twitch as an IRC network, it's just a service that happens to implement (tweaked) IRC for some reason
<NaGERST>
It is the same protocol
<NaGERST>
and all irc clients can connect
<jezek2>
but it's not an IRC network
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<jezek2>
it's similar how Android is not Linux, it technically is, but the whole stack is quite different, when people say Linux they expect classic Linux desktop / server not just kernel
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<nephele[x]>
I call android a linux, its just as much a linux as alpine linux is
<nephele[x]>
alpine linux also shares almost no code with typical gnu distros at its core, but yet you would consider it similar so eh
<jezek2>
it's the expectation of how the overall system works
<jezek2>
linux kernel + busybox is also a normal linux experience despite complete different userland
* psydroid
has no expectations
<nephele[x]>
I can run busybox on windows too and get the same ash shell, i wouldn't therefore call windows linux
<countryboy>
jezek2: i have linux mint office : scanner + printer + libreoffice ... and haiku in usb
<nephele[x]>
and i wouldn't call it a normal linux experience either
<jezek2>
I use cygwin on windows and wouldn't call that linux either
<nephele[x]>
you can call wsl2 linux though
<jezek2>
because it has certain specifics inherent to the windows
<jezek2>
that can't be masked :)
<nephele[x]>
funnily enough my haiku laptop shares more code with gnu linux than it does with android, but i would still argue its not really linux at all
<nephele[x]>
So i just use the semantically specific correct meaning, something that uses the linux kernel
<nephele[x]>
(and therefore exclude wierd experiemtns like gnu/kFreeBSD)
<jezek2>
well when things are compatible to some degree it makes such sayings quite problematic :D
<nephele[x]>
The nature of the hw is a much more pressing difference between "typical" android and "typical" unixy desktop imo
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<jezek2>
also various GUI abstractions hide the linux portion quite well
<jezek2>
on normal desktop linux
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<jezek2>
they want to attract non-linux audience I guess, but it seems to me that it's a bad idea to approach it by hiding what makes the system unique and instead making it like some other system, ultimately failing at both
<countryboy>
i ask you all : do you like presents ? ;-)
<countryboy>
do you prefer : presents of buy ?
<countryboy>
presents or to buy ?
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<countryboy>
i like presents => open source + free software ;-)
<countryboy>
but freedom + all individual ... ;-)
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<NaGERST>
in the haiku pim, can it be exported or imported to net databases
<NaGERST>
lets say i want to take my pim data from google and add it to any pim client in haiku
<NaGERST>
in beos i could add a "person" or company, assign it credentials and just right click: send>(menu comes up asking for mail, image and other) or perhaps that was due to the apfs addon
<NaGERST>
not like the sendto menu of windows but you could pick what file and what it was.
<countryboy>
people
<NaGERST>
yup
<NaGERST>
great app
<NaGERST>
can a google database be integrated into something like people?
<NaGERST>
i can copy it manually of course, but it get tedious after a few thousand contacts
<countryboy>
open file1 as read
<countryboy>
file1 is google db
<countryboy>
read a row of file1
<countryboy>
translate from db to people
<countryboy>
open file2 as write
<countryboy>
save people from string to file2
<NaGERST>
gosh i love irc, where you can get actual answers instead of ads. Thank you countryboy
<countryboy>
go on while not file1.eof
<countryboy>
np NaGERST
<countryboy>
thank you also to you ...
<NaGERST>
countryboy: May i ask what country?
<countryboy>
yes, italy ..
<NaGERST>
ok i am from swedistan, formerly known as sweden =D
<NaGERST>
not swedish though
<countryboy>
NaGERST: a love of mine => tina andreasson ...
<countryboy>
from sweden ...
<NaGERST>
I have no idea whom that is, i am a native sami from sapmi.
<countryboy>
i have met her in england ...
<NaGERST>
so i do not partake in swedish culture more than i have to
<countryboy>
xD
<NaGERST>
good thing about being sami is that i do not need a passport check to go to any parts of sapmi, no matter if it is in the eu (finland-sweden) or outside (norway russia)
<NaGERST>
they still check your bags though if you go by air, which they are not allowed to do, only the arline can do that.
<NaGERST>
but what the hey, to speed through i go through the same line as all others =)
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<NaGERST>
A female airport attendent in spain asked if i felt uncomfortable (it was 34c) and i answered, yeah i am used to cold, but i like it. We both laughed.
<NaGERST>
when frisking that is
<countryboy>
yeah, hot is better then cold ...
<NaGERST>
on to other things, have any of you tried qemu on haiku? what is the difference in performance to another system=
<countryboy>
if hot you can wait the afternoon or exit in evening
<NaGERST>
damn my keyboard is swedish layout instead of sami, that is why i get som symbols wrong
<NaGERST>
countryboy: In an airport, all you can do is wait
<countryboy>
if it is cold i stay at home ...
<NaGERST>
unless you work there, haha
<NaGERST>
countryboy: cold in italy is? +30 degrees C
<NaGERST>
I do fine enough in finnish and russian but in the case of russian the alpabet slows me down a lot. And finnish is just a schizofrenic sami person speaking jibberish
<NaGERST>
but i understand it
<NaGERST>
haha neither pijt nor sami is even an option
<NaGERST>
ill do swedish for now
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<NaGERST>
CortexAddOnsFlanger is in singular and in first casus meaning, right?
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<NaGERST>
because flanger is the same name in swedish but the article is defined by the last letters. Anden, Andarna, Anden and Anda, Anda and so on all means very different things depending on the tonality and ending.
<NaGERST>
Anden and Anden can mean either the Spirit or the Duck
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<NaGERST>
Hungarian spelling of the words will make more sense ánden vs ànden
<NaGERST>
all swedes knows it better than me
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<NaGERST>
an apple is "ett äpple" but plural it is "äpplena", that apple is "äpplet" and many more. =D
<NaGERST>
hard language to learn, but it is nothing compared to finnish (granted you can say nooni to everything and point and still get around that great county) but there is 48 ways to say dog or cat in single alone, around 90+ in plural