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<nekobot> [haikuports] Midar pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/39c0dc9fcd73...ac7bf7009e47
<nekobot> • Midar (ac7bf700): objfw: Update to 1.2.4
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 2 commits to master [hrev58670] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=e364871049a3+%5E2013cf27d14f
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 801a0ee83d5d - kernel: Change x86_*_msr to be an inline function on 32-bit platform
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] e364871049a3 - bootloader: Support x2apic
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* waddlesplash tries to build the ARM port
<waddlesplash> jam @minimum-mmc produces: "Error: Failed to open source path `boot.scr': Bad file descriptor"
<x512[m]> U-Boot scripts should be not needed.
<waddlesplash> yeah, I know
<waddlesplash> so why is it doing this?
<waddlesplash> and how does this work on CI? I looked for special cases for ARM there and didn't find anything
<waddlesplash> but the resulting image doesn't work in QEMU
<waddlesplash> while the nightly images do work
<x512[m]> Probably workarounds by kallisti5 or some pre-EFI code.
<x512[m]> U-Boot may need extra configuration for EFI boot. But I prefer save it in U-Boot NVRAM instead of adding boot scripts.
<waddlesplash> well, I am not using UBoot
<waddlesplash> I am using EDK2
<x512[m]> Build system do not know that...
<waddlesplash> sure, but, how does this work on the CI infrastructure?
<x512[m]> Don't know.
<waddlesplash> am I using the wrong target?
<x512[m]> > while the nightly images do work
<x512[m]> arm @nightly-raw?
<waddlesplash> I mean the ones from download.haiku-os.org
<waddlesplash> BuildEfiSDImage1 haiku-mmc.image
<waddlesplash> oh... I am using the wrong file lol
<waddlesplash> the build produces "haiku-minimum.mmc" and "haiku-mmc.image"
<waddlesplash> the latter is what I actually need to use
<waddlesplash> confusing
<waddlesplash> yup, that works
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<waddlesplash> x512[m]: figured it out. Another place in the ARM code needed a fixed address but wasn't specifying that directly
<waddlesplash> refactored, boot is back
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<waddlesplash> I also refactored the kernel loading logic again. Now it's theoretically possible for arch loaders to randomize the kernel address
<waddlesplash> so long as it's within KERNEL_LOAD_BASE+32MB
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 2 commits to master [hrev58671] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=22dfef3281fd+%5Ee364871049a3
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 0463b9511c7d - bootloader: Refactor semantics of platform_allocate_region() functions.
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 22dfef3281fd - bootloader: panic if an ELF is non-relocatable and got placed at the wrong location.
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev58672] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=874ba40fd665+%5E22dfef3281fd
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 874ba40fd665 - bootloader/efi: Make sure PML4 is below 4GB.
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<Begasus[m]> g'morning peeps
<janking> good morning
<Begasus[m]> Hi there janking , up early too? :)
<janking> yes i am :)
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<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/ac7bf7009e47...040e6173103b
<nekobot> • OscarL (040e6173): numpy: fix build on 32 bits. (#11806)…
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<nekobot> • waddlesplash (33fa75ac): ruby: touch parse.c before make…
<nekobot> [haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/040e6173103b...33fa75ac3c5f
<phschafft> good morning.
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<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/33fa75ac3c5f...e7e214014209
<nekobot> • OscarL (e7e21401): lapack: disable cblas, make lapack.pc require openblas.pc. (#11801)…
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<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/e7e214014209...abca667abe81
<nekobot> • OscarL (abca667a): scipy: update to version 1.15.1. (#11783)…
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<akashkumar> https://bpa.st/JRDQ
<akashkumar> hey i am getting the above error when I try to run the compiled mediaplayer application
<x512[m]> waddlesplash: riscv64 efi boot tested? It also use trampoline code that should have the same physical and virtual address. But that code is a part of haiku_loader image.
<waddlesplash> I didn't test it, no
<waddlesplash> but how was it getting code with the same physical and virtual address under the old setup?
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<x512[m]> Code that enable MMU and setup page table is a part of haiku_loader image and supposed to be identity mapped by UEFI.
<waddlesplash> well, it's still identity-mapped
<waddlesplash> and except for the kernel itself, should all get the same addresses as before
<waddlesplash> and actually if the kernel itself does not have a load address specified in the ELF then it will all be exactly the same as before
<x512[m]> Checked that riscv64 kernel have DYN type.
<x512[m]> I wonder why special handling for ARM is needed.
<x512[m]> x86[_64] is conceptually the same as riscv64 in MMU setup I suppose?
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<waddlesplash> probably similar, yes
<waddlesplash> but the x86_64 and x86 32-bit MMU code in EFI is pretty different
<waddlesplash> every time I work on the bootloader there wind up being all sorts of annoying corner-cases like this...
<waddlesplash> I'm glad to not have to do it very often lol
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<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/abca667abe81...2a1dade5a278
<nekobot> • OscarL (2a1dade5): pygame: drop spurious cmd:cython dependency. (#11813)…
<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/2a1dade5a278...053368db2f9c
<nekobot> • OscarL (053368db): pathological: fixes and recipe cleanups. (#11814)…
<Begasus[m]> all good there, checking php waddlesplash :)
<Begasus[m]> waddlesplash is "#ifndef SIGIO" still needed?
<Begasus[m]> 15K tests whoot!
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<OscarL> even scipy made it on 32 bits. NOICE!
<Begasus[m]> OscarL !
<Begasus[m]> it worked! :D
<OscarL> Hello Begasus[m]!
<OscarL> yeah, really glad that whole saga is over (for now at least :-D)
<Begasus[m]> right, leaving that alone for the next generation (probably not) :P
<OscarL> also happy to have cleared up some unneded cython deps here and there that have been bothering me for quite a while (but that I couldn't make sense enough before)
<OscarL> and I *finally* was able to make an icon in I-O-M!
<Begasus[m]> heh
* OscarL fancies himself an artist now.
<Begasus[m]> enjoy it while it lasts :D
<Begasus[m]> but kudos there! 👍
<OscarL> yeah... two circles, one with a gradient... made me lose some hair trying to figure out how to make the circles bigger without distorting them :-D
<Begasus[m]> in that regard, we have to THANK you for all the efforts you do and have done on these parts!!
<Begasus[m]> another 3K test ...
<OscarL> thanks Begasus[m] :-). Just trying to do my part the best I can.
<OscarL> team effort, and all of that :-)
<Begasus[m]> much appreciated! :)
<Begasus[m]> that too :)
<OscarL> man... I can believe I finally landed scipy, LOL.
<Begasus[m]> OscarL any thoughts on that SIGIO for php? (patch)
<OscarL> *can't
<Begasus[m]> yeah, has been bugging us long enough (that and numpy)
<Begasus[m]> almost done ...
<OscarL> no mention of SIGIO on Haiku's sources apparently.
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<Begasus[m]> https://bpa.st/RJBA
<Begasus[m]> not bad :)
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<Begasus[m]> OK, I'll leave it in then, doesn't error the build without
<OscarL> if it is not necessary to fix build error, I'd say you could just drop it.
<Begasus[m]> doing a build/test run to compare results
<Begasus[m]> doggies now, biab
<OscarL> As haiku doesn't seems to define it... if it builds without the patch, then it must not be needed anymore, I think.
<PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: There was a gsoc candidate asking about problems with vaddr being 0 on the arm port, who no one seemed interested in replying to :( maybe your fixes would help them?
<PulkoMandy> their messages were not very detailed so I'm not sure it's the same thing
<Begasus[m]> re
<Begasus[m]> OscarL still a few mentions for it in other patches though
<OscarL> AFAICS, signal numbers are all positives... maybe -1 is ment as "this is not supported/available" ?
<Begasus[m]> well, 2 more crahses with it in the patchset :P
<OscarL> grep for SIGIO on php sources, maybe it already has a bunch of "#ifdef SIGIO" that maybe weren't there before (making the patch necessary originally)
<OscarL> (the patch for nginx, for example, adds such guards)
<Begasus[m]> one more failed test
<Begasus[m]> grep'n
<Begasus[m]> #ifdef SIGIO
<Begasus[m]> REGISTER_LONG_CONSTANT("SIGIO", (zend_long) SIGIO, CONST_CS | CONST_PERSISTENT);
<Begasus[m]> #endif
<Begasus[m]> in that file
<Begasus[m]> and mentioned in one more file
<Begasus[m]> #ifdef SIGIO
<Begasus[m]> [SIGIO] = "SIGIO",
<Begasus[m]> #endif
<OscarL> as I understand it... Haiku will never send/trigger a SIGIO signal, all the signals it *does* uses are positives, so, -1 is short for "don't use this".
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<OscarL> so php on Haiku should not need to worry about SIGIO... as those lines you pasted show.
<Begasus[m]> yeah, seen simular cases where HAVE_X11 is used in the KDE sources, but thy use a cmake check for that so it's filled automaticly
<OscarL> (seems it registers a signal handler, for that signal that it will never get)
<Begasus[m]> +1 nuking it (after running a test on current version) :)
<OscarL> so not defining SIGIO is what *I* would do (until a proper dev explains what I've missed :-D)
<Begasus[m]> good enough for me (for now) :)
<augiedoggie> SIGIO usually has the same meaning as SIGPOLL
<OscarL> both wine and gdb define it as SIGPOLL...
<OscarL> augiedoggie beat me to it :-)
<OscarL> Begasus[m]: does "grep SIGPOLL" on php sources shows it already handles that?
<Begasus[m]> cleaned the build to build the current one, will check in a bit
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<Begasus[m]> I'm guess those 2 files should be patched fot that then
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<Begasus[m]> compared results so far: https://bpa.st/JIRA
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<Begasus[m]> in that file (code block)
<Begasus[m]> hmm .. quaternion doesn't do a good jow at code blocks :P
<OscarL> as it already handles SIGPOLL, no need to use "#define SIGIO SIGPOLL" as wine/gdb do.
<OscarL> I would just drop the patch in this case.
<Begasus[m]> yeah, but it does in this file, in the other file it doesn't do that (no hits grepping)
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<OscarL> your call. I would drop it.
<Begasus[m]> one more go, if no real changes it will be dropped :)
<erysdren> what's going on today yall?
<OscarL> hello erysdren. Just taking it lightly today, after the mess of numpy/scipy/lapack/pygame/etc :-D
<Begasus[m]> PR created
<Begasus[m]> hi erysdren !
<erysdren> hi
<Begasus[m]> let's see if we can get php 8.4.9 build :)
<Begasus[m]> 8.4.*
<Begasus[m]> first error :P configure: error: Please reinstall the BZip2 library package
<Begasus[m]> err .. that's already in, checking config.log
<Begasus[m]> configure:23773: result: bzlib.h not found
<Begasus[m]> weird
<OscarL> My time's up for today. See you around folks. Have a good one!
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<HaikuUser> Who registered the HaikuUser nickname? .-.
<HaikuUser> that's not a nice look for Vision setup
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<HaikuUser> hi
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<erysdren> hey
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<Begasus[m]> low
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<sqz[m]> Hi all
<CristianMotoRider> Hi
<CristianMotoRider> Is so dead here :D
<CristianMotoRider> Anyway, subscrbe to my channel :))
<Begasus[m]> it is quiet atm yes, not dead yet :P
<CristianMotoRider> It is always like this?
<Begasus[m]> no, can be really busy at times
<Begasus[m]> timezone differences
<CristianMotoRider> I'm just checking the OS, coming from Action Retro, he always keep mention Haiku :))
<CristianMotoRider> so he got me curios
<erysdren> 5am here in central USA. the europeans are yet to come online in full
<Begasus[m]> Welcome then CristianMotoRider
<Begasus[m]> some still have to work erysdren ;)
<CristianMotoRider> true, I'm from europe
<Begasus[m]> Belgium here
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<CristianMotoRider> Thanks Begasus, I will not stay for to long anyway :)
<Begasus[m]> grabbing php8-8.3.17-1-x86_64.hpkg and moving it to /Opslag/haikuports/packages/php8-8.3.17-1-x86_64.hpkg
<Begasus[m]>
<Begasus[m]> still good :)
<Begasus[m]> np CristianMotoRider , how is the first experience?
<CristianMotoRider> well, is not for beginners defenitly
<erysdren> yeah, i'd agree
<Begasus[m]> some of us have been around since BeOS (about 25 years), so it comes natural to us
<CristianMotoRider> is there any porpose for this OS or just for fun?
<erysdren> well, a number of people actually do use it for their main computer. it's a focus on personal computing, as the title of this room says
<CristianMotoRider> I'm mean is there any target for it?
<sqz[m]> Well I guess it depends on the user :)
<erysdren> i'm not the right person to say if the OS has "a purpose" but i think it's a wonderful alternative to Linux and Windows.
<erysdren> even if it's still a work in progress.
<Begasus[m]> guess what your target is, only found one thing that I can't do in Haiku, so why would I use another OS? ;)
<sqz[m]> As a milkytracker.org maintainer, I'd like to thank the Haiku maintainers for supporting the latest versions, much appreciated :heart: )... (full message at <https://matrix.org/oftc/media/v1/media/download/AeSVhl0KRZU1dVDDUu00wUTur3-MpYX2QH3uZLDrG5tH09EjPkGuf-FwlXZYfZkBhdj7HM3uR2Qg8UfCK4LvVOtCeVcEl64AAG1hdHJpeC5vcmcvbVpnd2dkZW5hclR4TVhQaG1QZFJVdmxu>)
<Begasus[m]> other things probably missing for others, but for me personal it's great to work/play/port with
<CristianMotoRider> well.. gaming? :D
<erysdren> yea gaming is pretty limited on Haiku. but i've been doing my best personally to port open-source games
<erysdren> like Quake, DOOM, other stuff.
<Begasus[m]> ah sqz we met at FOSDEM?
<sqz[m]> YES! Hi there :D
<Begasus[m]> Welcome to the channel, and keeping interest in the OS! Thanks there!
<Begasus[m]> cmd:open should work to open a given file
<Begasus[m]> on 2 I guess ffmpeg could be called?
<Begasus[m]> lpe command opens one of the default editors (mine most used one) Pe from Terminal
<Begasus[m]> nano, vim, emacs .... you name it :)
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<sqz[m]> The honour is mine :)
<sqz[m]> Ah ok so ffmpeg is a supported package? That would solve the audio-in thing.
<sqz[m]> So regarding opening a text-editor, are u suggesting `system("lpe addons.txt &")` will work?
<sqz[m]> or `system("cmd:open addons.txt &")` ?
<Begasus[m]> sqz: https://0x0.st/8TK2.png
<CristianMotoRider> just for curiosity is there a repo from where I can get games?
<erysdren> haikudepot has everything that is available
<Begasus[m]> HaikuDepot is in the applications list CristianMotoRider
<Begasus[m]> erysdren: is more on par there :)
<Begasus[m]> no fun in checking php8 on the 32bit laptop, me wonders how long that will take
<sqz[m]> Begasus: perfect! the `&` is not needed, as it seems non-blocking.
<sqz[m]> Kudos for haiku having something simple as `open` to do these things (on Linux it became a bit messy `xdg-open` `kde-open` `gnome-open` etc)
<sqz[m]> * Begasus: perfect! so the `&`
<Begasus[m]> right sqz , no changes for number 1 needed :)
<Begasus[m]> xdg-open fpcup.ini also works
<sqz[m]> awesome, well then I'll just add open i case of HAIKU
<sqz[m]> s//`/, s//`/, s/i/in/
<Begasus[m]> yeah, we got nice on par KDE stuff without the straingts :)
<Begasus[m]> +1
<Begasus[m]> latest ffmpeg in Haiku is 6.1.2
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<sqz[m]> nice!
<sqz[m]> btw. I see that sox also works on haiku: https://depot.haiku-os.org/#!/?bcguid=bc1-EMSH&repos=haikuports&arch=x86_64&incldev=false&onlynatv=false&viewcrttyp=FEATURED&srchexpr=sox
<Begasus[m]> OK, better test results on php 8.3.*
<Begasus[m]> could be outdated there on sox, haven't looked at that in a long time :)
<Begasus[m]> skip interface 1 either doesn't exist or has no ipv6 address [/sources/php-8.3.17/ext/sockets/tests/mcast_ipv6_send.phpt]
<sqz[m]> it didn't change a lot :)
<sqz[m]> It's quite complete...which I think is quite a missing metric in software culture (github stars does not say a lot in the end)
<Begasus[m]> k, that's to be expected ...
<sqz[m]> s/it/SOX/
<sqz[m]> s/it/SoX/
<Begasus[m]> anything that triggers my interest (or sometimes even my nerves) makes me hunt it down, don't need stars for that :D
<sqz[m]> hehe sounds healthy :)
<Begasus[m]> sqz: anything specific comming up there? not a musician as much anymore, but I can still run check builds from upstream :)
<Begasus[m]> biab, taking care of the dogs first :)
<sqz[m]> have fun!
<sqz[m]> Well with milkytracker addons, we want to push back a bit on VST plugins hype, by promoting 'personal computing'.... (full message at <https://matrix.org/oftc/media/v1/media/download/AbSYHHpLe03Sy2T9A09nRutrwEgI8-XlQRrH01kFE6OgDXp247Zk6NzPD_Qjjxvp--ykI08wvwBrJp_kOg4JKOJCeVcGK3WgAG1hdHJpeC5vcmcvbU5mTGl2Ym9ndlVLdlVmZnZVRXJ5R2lW>)
<sqz[m]> * Well with milkytracker addons, we want to push back a bit on VST plugins hype, by promoting 'personal computing'.... (full message at <https://matrix.org/oftc/media/v1/media/download/AebsQdU4CIJgoJs2g6kSJUrEcXtX-wt9gxbtigs55DJP5vDJ6L12QzSMalHBo7F71bBLaVQI8IKWEI1gvStPbYFCeVcGOcNQAG1hdHJpeC5vcmcvT2JNc3ZLSWN5dENKUUNGY2poY3dtbnFD>)
<gordonjcp> <3 milkytracker
<sqz[m]> ah csound is in the Haiku depot as well
<sqz[m]> * as well ❤️
<sqz[m]> gordonjcp: very cool! Putting it on the speakers now (gotta eat as well bbl!)
<gordonjcp> sqz[m]: ideally you want a decent bass response
<gordonjcp> I want to do a bit more with that first bit
<gordonjcp> and from when my son was tiny and would often only sleep listening to The Prodigy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G39Eupk72W0&ab_channel=IShootDVCAM
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<gordonjcp> needs developed a bit more too, just thrown together in about as long as it takes to play
<Begasus[m]> heh nice one :)
<gordonjcp> ... you've probably got some insight into my musical tastes
<Begasus[m]> ah right, wanted to checkout latest commits on rizin/iaito ...
<Begasus[m]> php8.3 should be good, will install and see how it runs here first before pushing to haikuports
<Begasus[m]> err ... the earlier one is radare2 an iaito (rizin is for cutter) :)
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] lonemadmax pushed 2 commits to master [hrev58673] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=72f8f120b000+%5E874ba40fd665
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] a73a1b03181c - input_server: fix private method name
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 72f8f120b000 - API docs: fix syntax
<sqz[m]> <gordonjcp> "and from when my son was tiny..." <- great job!
<sqz[m]> <gordonjcp> "sqz: https://www.youtube.com/..."; <- very well balanced sounds, I like the techno polyrythmic basslines
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<phcoder> waddlesplash: https://review.haiku-os.org/c/haiku/+/9004 any remaining problems with it?
<Begasus[m]> php8 fine on 32bit also
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<Begasus[m]> sqz: I guess we could push some of our patchset upstream?
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<Begasus[m]> looking at: https://github.com/milkytracker/MilkyTracker/tree/master/src/tracker/haiku that has been 12 years ago :)
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<Begasus[m]> needs to be checked against current branch
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<mmu_man> Hmm I get a "locale::facet::_S_create_c_locale name not valid" or something when running Mayo without LC_ALL=C
<mmu_man> it seems to create an std::locale("") … which is supposed to be legit