<rennj>
Fibonacci sequence, fractals...nature does bunch of shit
<rennj>
golden ratio
<rennj>
Fibonacci number patterns occur widely in plants such as this queen sago, Cycas circinalis. haha
<rennj>
Fractal-like patterns occur widely in nature, in phenomena as diverse as clouds, river networks, geologic fault lines, mountains, coastlines,[43] animal coloration, snow flakes,[44] crystals,[45] blood vessel branching,[46] Purkinje cells,[47] actin cytoskeletons,[48] and ocean waves
<rennj>
Mandelbrot famous one
<rennj>
Mandelbrot was one of the first to use computer graphics to create and display fractal geometric images, leading to his discovery of the Mandelbrot set in 1980.
<rennj>
wolfram is big on cellular automata
<rennj>
mr. mathematica
<rennj>
mr wolfram alpha
<rennj>
his big magnum opus book is all about cellular automata
<ablyss>
and to put all that into a code... totally wow
<rennj>
and way you see can solve prime numbers if you build ic circuit with them
<rennj>
anyway
<rennj>
ASIC
<rennj>
conways game of life
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<rennj>
math and computer science go hand in hand, like beans and cornbread!
<ablyss>
lol, great stuff
<rennj>
well digital signals at the hardware level, but we abstract the 1/0 the signals, to mean things...
<rennj>
channel electricity to power a motor, no! we channel electricity to keep a state of information in time.
<BrunoSpr>
Using Gnome web is not faster than web+ here
<BrunoSpr>
Always if i have problems it seems no dev is here! Which time is best to get some dev help?
<BrunoSpr>
If I do some bug reports, I like to do them accurate, some time there is no help, some dev do not read the chat logs I assume
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<andreasdr[m]>
Good morning
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<BrunoSpr>
hi
<BrunoSpr>
also GitHub does not show up with Gnome Web
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<OscarL>
Using RAM FS for storing the SWAP file seems like a recipe for disaster. I REALLY doubt you can use that as a poorman's zram/zswap replacement :-)
<OscarL>
So, BrunoSpr, my suggestion would be: either move your swap file back to /boot/system/var, or disable virtual mem (but with only 2 GB and trying to use the web... I would strongly recommend the first option).
<BrunoSpr>
How to swap the file back?
<OscarL>
Change the volume on "Use volume:" on that VirtualMemory preflet.
<OscarL>
BrunoSpr: I meant: looks more sane :-) (I can't type :-P)
<BrunoSpr>
thats not good so what best to do?
<BrunoSpr>
I just use automatic default one then
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<OscarL>
I also have a similar machine BrunoSpr.... same Atom, also 2 GB. Can't really do much browsing on any OS on that machine, sadly. Too slow, not enough memory for modern internet browsers. For the rest of stuff... still usable (I use it with swap disabled on Win/Haiku... and with zwap on linux).
<OscarL>
Leaving it in auto for Haiku seems like a good bet.
<Begasus>
OK, using --disable-static isn't working for libpng* :)
<BrunoSpr>
ah ok sane means ok, sorry
<OscarL>
BrunoSpr: yup, and no problem.... my "English" is pretty bad, so... mistakes/confusions are expected :-D
<BrunoSpr>
just installed the old Lingua app for this
<OscarL>
Good luck with that one Begasus!
<Begasus>
already done OscarL :)
<OscarL>
that was FAST!
<OscarL>
:-D
<Begasus>
if you look at the PR it's not hard there :P
<Begasus>
for the major ones I'll wait untill someone checks there (not like with flex) ^^
<OscarL>
That was a special case, I assume.... flex gets usually linked statically by programs using it to create parsers and such.
<OscarL>
(that's my understandind, at least)
<Begasus>
I'm not that knowligable, so punch me when I do something dumb :)
<OscarL>
Hey... same goes for me!
<OscarL>
Anyone knows why RAM FS is setting B_FS_IS_PERSISTENT flag in its fs_info?
<OscarL>
RAM doesn't strikes me as particularly "persistent".
<OscarL>
Or does that flag mean has a different meaning from that?
<Begasus>
why "do" we have a "RAM FS" now?
<Begasus>
only saw it after some recent update
<OscarL>
had for a long time.... just not enabled by default due to some bugs it had.
<OscarL>
now it is used as the "back-end" for some API related to shared memory.
<OscarL>
Seems like lots of the latest GTK and Wayland ports make use of such API.
<BrunoSpr>
RasFS was made for Web Gnome and wayland stuff as I understand
<BrunoSpr>
to make it faster
<OscarL>
and actually having the shared memory on RAM (and not on the HDD/SSD) speeds things up.
<OscarL>
BrunoSpr: not "made for", but they do benefit a lot from it, indeed.
<BrunoSpr>
But there is some confusion for me here, as it does not what it is supposed on slow system like mine
<BrunoSpr>
it was a dependentcy for wayland
<OscarL>
shared memory? yes. RAM FS? no.
<OscarL>
you can't do magic with such slow hardware. I say this half crying, because I love that litte netbook... but there's no software fix that will make it able to browse the web "fast".
<BrunoSpr>
for me it is confusing!
<BrunoSpr>
and yes it could be faster
<BrunoSpr>
BeOs was quite fast on that system
<OscarL>
I repeat... the problem with that machine is that it is too slow for modern websites/broswers.
<OscarL>
those are too big for those poor things.
<BrunoSpr>
I was expecting to much then...
<BrunoSpr>
yes thats it
<OscarL>
of course the rest you can do... I watch movies (720p), play music, read books, do light programming, etc, etc... no problems on that netbook.
<OscarL>
but I don't expect it to run VMs fast, nor use it for youtube/netlix.
<BrunoSpr>
movies? I have still problems running movies on this laptop
<BrunoSpr>
exept Telegram, it is quite fast on this laptop
<OscarL>
Depends a lot of the player/OS.... On WinXP/7... use MPC-HC (there's a modern fork on github)..
<BrunoSpr>
No windows installed on this laptop
<BrunoSpr>
maybe i should
<OscarL>
on Xubuntu... Celuloid with (mpv backend) works for me.
<OscarL>
(mind you... my Xubuntu is still at 18.04 there :-D)
<BrunoSpr>
I just use this slow laptop to see some difference to my other i5 3999MHznPC
<BrunoSpr>
to see some advantage
<BrunoSpr>
progress
<BrunoSpr>
3300MHz
<BrunoSpr>
But I can watch my favorite news with small video now... www.tagesschau.de for example... I use youtube not on this laptop
<Begasus>
Thanks on the explanation about RAM FS, I knew about it, just wondered why it showed up recently (doesn't bug me) :)
<Begasus>
Now if the compiler also benefits from it I'm a happy man :D
<Begasus>
k, heading out for a bit, cu later
<BrunoSpr>
anyone knows the differencwe between youtube.be and youtube.com? Is it a unsafe adress the .be?
<Begasus>
hey, it stands for Belgium, we are good peeps! ;)
<Begasus>
afk
<BrunoSpr>
not sure about why this is always used with fake news!?
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<BrunoSpr>
gnome web does not display Gtihub website! Anything to do about it?
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<BrunoSpr>
can anyone just sent me a screenshoot whatever to test web+ behavior please
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<BrunoSpr>
some pic please
<BrunoSpr>
Because Web+ will startup with tab if clicking on a vision .png file otherwise I cannot get to tab view on this small laptop with 600 x 400 screen
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<HaikuUser>
BrunoSpr: just *any* screenshot/picture?
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<BrunoSpr>
ah ok thx worked
<BrunoSpr>
I think I moved the tabed window with alt+ctrl in the past and forgot about it... now I have tab view again thank you
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<BrunoSpr>
qmplay does not work on 32bit where to report?
<BrunoSpr>
did not find it on source force
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<Begasus>
BrunoSpr, qmplay2 still works fine for me on 32bit
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<BrunoSpr>
I have some problems with python3 there
<BrunoSpr>
no idea what goes on
<BrunoSpr>
how to disable python3?
<BrunoSpr>
[14 Dec 2022 16:13:17.432] QProcess: Destroyed while process ("python3") is still running. [14 Dec 2022 16:13:17.448] Cannot open: YouTube://{https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12kcpP-8jfM}
<BrunoSpr>
I installed python39 last week to make qmplay2 run
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<Halamix2>
Huh, my PC booth with serial console enabled, but without it it just hangs during boot with the red rocker icon visible, weird
<Halamix2>
And I still somehow get output on serial
<Halamix2>
s/booth/boots
<Halamix2>
so many typos, I'm not a great laptop user
<BrunoSpr>
OscarL i try install python37 then
<BrunoSpr>
Failed to find a match for "python3.7_x86": Name not found
<OscarL>
Halamix2: maybe a timing-issue/race-condition perhaps? with the serial output either "serializing" or slowing down things enough as to be able to boot?
<OscarL>
booting with SMP disabled changes anything?
<Begasus>
heading out in a bit again, OscarL yt_dlp should be ok for the python version
<OscarL>
Was just pointing out what the recipe expects :-)
<Begasus>
bbl
<OscarL>
later Begasus! Be well!
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<Halamix2>
OscarL, booting with SMP didn't help. I get some usb disk write error though. I miht try another pendrive in 20 minutes
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<BrunoSpr>
a fresh install of qmplay reports a new yt_dl 2.0 version has to be used
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<waddlesplash>
OscarL: what KDL do you get when removing the flag?
<OscarL>
Will do it again and try to capture some screenshots :-)
<OscarL>
(slow user and slow PC/VM...)
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<OscarL>
Welp... now I'm not getting a KDL... I was able to "mount -t ramfs temp_ramfs" and "touch test.txt" (Tracker didn't showed that so I created a new Folder from Tracker.... also didn't showed up....
<OscarL>
until I used the navigator arrows to go up and back again to that "temp_ramfs" mount.... then both "test.txt" and "New Folder" showed up on Tracker.
<waddlesplash>
that may be notifications not working
<OscarL>
Attempting to remove them has just hang Tracker hard :-(
<waddlesplash>
or more likely, Tracker doesn't know what to do on read/write non-persistent volumes
<waddlesplash>
it has a lot of checks for them
<OscarL>
Well Terminal got frozen too.
<waddlesplash>
that may be some other problem, ouch ...
<waddlesplash>
see if specifying B_FS_IS_REMOVABLE solves the problem
<waddlesplash>
we can do that as a stop-gap
<OscarL>
Can only use those windows to "paint" the destop :-D
<OscarL>
Will try.
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<OscarL>
Terminal and Tracker are unkillable :-(... Force rebooting....
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<waddlesplash>
hung in the kernel probably
<waddlesplash>
in the future there's ways to drop to KDL to debug such things
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] b70a0efa9e95 - NetServices: Notify any async listeners when a request completes early.
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<waddlesplash>
OscarL: I mean, try having FS_IS_PERSISTENT set but also set FS_IS_REMOVABLE
<OscarL>
undestood so.
<OscarL>
Seems to work fine.
<OscarL>
VM preflet no longer shows RAM FS...
<OscarL>
but tracker doesn't has issues with me mounting a RAMFS and writting to it :-D
<waddlesplash>
:)
<waddlesplash>
go ahead and submit the change I suppose
<OscarL>
My usual trick... mostly one-liners, and taking credit for other's work :-P
<OscarL>
:-D
<waddlesplash>
we all start somewhere...
<Halamix2>
I have read now that ext4 is not recommended for compilation, and as I have spare 120GB SSD I wondred how much space I need to give for each of two partitions
<waddlesplash>
Halamix2: it's not recommended but it does work, just not quite as well due to xattr limitations
<waddlesplash>
XFS or another filesystem with unlimited xattr size is preferred
<waddlesplash>
I was a little too young to understand any code then :-p
<waddlesplash>
I think "hello world" was 2007 for me...
<OscarL>
I actually booted Haiku on real hardware before app_server... when only "consoled" was available... and was able to make my TV/FM card actually work on it (well... the FM part at least :-D)
<OscarL>
I should dig up said card and "driver" some day... and give it another go :-D
<OscarL>
both related to changes in the netservice API. as far as I undertand.
<Halamix2>
Oh, my p0roblems with booting were related to using a very old 2GB pendrive... It boots now, even without console! I have no internet, even wired, but the first step with RAM support is working :)
<OscarL>
(and not specific to that "libshared" issue)
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<OscarL>
Holy cow... the git push to gerrit I started half an hour ago... didn't moved further than after asking for my passphrase.
<OscarL>
usually push/pulling to/from gerrit is REALLY slow for me but... this is a new record :-D
<OscarL>
alright... Counting objects now... (takes around 3 to 6 mins for me)
<Halamix2>
How do I save a screenshot?
<OscarL>
Press PrintScreen
<OscarL>
Should bring a "Screenshot" window up.
<Halamix2>
Thanks, I've tried usual atr-prntscr combination before
<Halamix2>
alt*, I hate this keyboard
* OscarL
wishes he could blame his typos to his keyboard... he just can't type properly.
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<Begasus>
heading down, cu peeps!
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<waddlesplash>
Halamix2: what's your wired internet device?
<waddlesplash>
and I already evaluated this situation
<waddlesplash>
hmm .. openbsd has a driver
<Halamix2>
Is this the PCI id? pci@0000:09:00.0
<waddlesplash>
no
<waddlesplash>
that's a bus address
<xoblite>
hey
<Halamix2>
Ah, so 10EC:8125
<xoblite>
speaking of openbsd... @waddlesplash, is there a point in me patching in the added devices in the OpenBSD tree into the Haiku FreeBSD code? Or are you already planning to rip that out in favour of the OpenBSD layer at some point?
<xoblite>
(these devices are added in OpenBSD's if_urtwn.c and defined in their usbdevs header.)
<waddlesplash>
I wouldn't add any devices you haven't tested yourself.
<waddlesplash>
there can be issues that crop up otherwise
<waddlesplash>
and no, the OpenBSD drivers support much less devices for the rtwn cards so I don't intend to use those
<xoblite>
actually, unless I'm misreading it (nb. I haven't cross-referenced all the define's yet), OpenBSD lists e.g. 81 devices of type 8192 compared to FreeBSDs 61 devices.
<xoblite>
then there are 81 devices in one and 61 devices in the other. but sure, I haven't cross-checked the actual entries, just observed that there are 20 more vendor/product IDs listed in the OpenBSD .cpp.
<waddlesplash>
yes, but again, not having tested those, they shouldn't be blindly added to the freebsd driver
<waddlesplash>
if you have one such device, test adding it to the list and we'll see what happens
<xoblite>
nope I haven't, mine's a USB 8812, was just trying to serve the community ;)
<waddlesplash>
let's not just add device IDs randomly then :)
<xoblite>
there are 61 devices under 8192 in the file you linked above btw.
<waddlesplash>
yes, I see that
<waddlesplash>
these are previous-gen devices anyway, who knows how many are still around
<xoblite>
yes of course.
<xoblite>
so how about 8812 then? :)
<xoblite>
have you poked around with those before?
<xoblite>
0846 NetGear
<xoblite>
9055 A6150 Dual Band AC1200 Wireless Adapter [Realtek RTL8812BU]
<xoblite>
there's also some potentially useful stuff in Windows' driver .inf file
<xoblite>
(lots of params etc - let me see if I can find some references to MIMO in there too, brb9)
<xoblite>
-> common parameters, Tx/Rx aggregation, selective suspend, TX path selection, Timer GPIO, TCP Reorder Control Parameters, Earlymode Control Parameters, Custom Tx Power Limit And Power By Rate Parameters, RTL8812bu (iPA force U2)common paramters, Netgear WLAN NIC parameters, Roaming Sensitivity Level, Some function ability setting, Wireless Mode Related Parameters, 11AC TX Duty Level Support, 11AC series IC VHT 2.4G Support
<waddlesplash>
you aren't going to get anywhere with that
<waddlesplash>
source code or nothing
<xoblite>
of course - I meant as a complement to the other link I pasted above, if so needed.
<xoblite>
basically the .inf lists all the options/values available
<kallisti5[m]>
BGLView -> BView -> BHandler == good use of factories
<kallisti5[m]>
You're building on common implementations of things
<kallisti5[m]>
Lots of things use BHandler at an os scale
<kallisti5[m]>
it's also reasonably easy to follow.
<kallisti5[m]>
anyway. The authors of the package kit were big Java devs
<kallisti5[m]>
that's where that model comes from
<kallisti5[m]>
anyway impl. We needed package management badly and it works well... it's just designed poorly
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<x512[m]>
Java OOP is big antipattern that makes core hard to read and maintain. It is suited to big corporations that have a lot of money to waste resources to hire many developers.
<x512[m]>
Haiku is not big corporation (at least for now) and it have physically no resources to maintain enterprise Java style code.
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<x512[m]>
Managed to run Haiku x86_64 with generalized MSI and separate PCI host controller add-on.
<BrunoSpr>
what does this mean?
<kallisti5[m]>
nice work! That's all badly needed
<kallisti5[m]>
BrunoSpr: He's fixing the MSI code. It's all designed assuming x86 stuff
<BrunoSpr>
sounds very good
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* OscarL
would be happy to know that someone actually made use of that thing, even just for testing :-D
<x512[m]>
Yes.
<OscarL>
yahooo!!! :-D
<x512[m]>
It is used to get physical addresses from virtual and setup GPU MMU.
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<x512[m]>
GPU MMU allows to map CPU RAM to GPU.
<OscarL>
Awesome. I wrote that in 2005, along with a "/bin/poke" replacement (made it multiplatform: BeOS/HaikuWin98)...
<OscarL>
I recall giving it to RudolfC so he could use it to dump registers from the Win9x nVidia Drivers :-D
<andreasdr[m]>
Arrr. You were both mighty pirates.
<andreasdr[m]>
:)
<OscarL>
I'm just happy it got used for anything :-D
<andreasdr[m]>
Nice Sir.
<OscarL>
I guess that the "/bin/poke" .zip I sent to AxelD didn't make the cut for inclusion on Haiku.
<OscarL>
I guess I should give that a try again now (having libedit.so properly working was a bit of a pain back in the day, and one of the "uglier" parts of that code).
<x512[m]>
Are that "/bin/poke" .zip available somewhere?
<OscarL>
Because of course that it had line-editing capabilities... unlike BeOS original :-D
<OscarL>
x512[m]: on some harddrive of mine, sure :-)
<OscarL>
as soon as I dig it up, I'll create a repo for it and let you know!
<OscarL>
(that .zip I sent at the end of 2005, IIRC... can't even remember the mail account for that :-D)
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<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] kenmays 2aaa6c5 - w3m: bump version (#7567)
<AlienSoldier>
seem i can log again in goodsearch again after today sowtwareupdater upgrade.
<OscarL>
regarding that PackageKit source style people were talking earlier... Trying to see how to implement something like: "pkgman search --installed --not-required"...
<OscarL>
I was reading kits/package/*... I know I'm a bad programmer, but... jeez, that was a hard read.
<OscarL>
(at least I took notes , plus some pseudo-code, for when I gain enough energy to try again :-D)
<OscarL>
nice Diver, thanks for the link!
<OscarL>
yeah... I was having basically that same problem...
<OscarL>
how the heck I know what I can uninstall now? :-D
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<OscarL>
mmm no wonder AxelD didn't merged my old /bin/poke code. The version I've found, at least, has way too many "#if defined(__BEOS__)" vs "#if defined(__MSDOS__)" "#if defined(__WIN32__)" :-D
<OscarL>
Do we have O_BINARY somewhere?
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<OscarL>
Holy cow, I got /bin/poke working (only 17 years later :-D)
<OscarL>
Needs a serious clean up, but... progress!
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<waddlesplash>
x512[m]: not sure about some of your enum and function naming in those commits
<waddlesplash>
but, I guess that can be reworked later if the overall structure is sound
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