11:52 <whyirc> Hello everyone

11:53 <whyirc> I'm thinking of what distro i will use

11:54 <whyirc> 1). How long does it take to compile gentoo on a 10-core m1?

11:55 <whyirc> 2). How good is fedora on apple silicon?

11:56 <j`ey> https://fedora-asahi-remix.org/

11:57 <j`ey> markan is interested in fedora, so I think support will be good

11:57 <whyirc> 3). I'm currently using nixos as my daily driver and looks like it is a superior solution becuase of ability to rollback system to a known-good state, but i don't like alot of things about nix, so the question is: how usefull is system rollback feature?

12:10 <alarmer> 1) on m1pro it takes about 1-1:30 hour for emerge -e @world

12:12 <j`ey> doesnt that depend on the packages?

12:15 <whyirc> @alarmer 8 or 10 cores?

12:15 <whyirc> And how heavy is your system?

12:18 <MichaelLong> certainly it tool much longer here, but I'm running a typical desktop system (e.g. KDE Plasma, Firefox, etc.) but I bet faster that my old i7-6950X.

12:18 <alarmer> 10 cores, arcan+x11 with some basic stuff. I need to compile palemoon too (browser). one more detail if one wants rustc it takes about an hour to compile it. and I'm compiling everything in tmpfs

12:20 <ChaosPrincess> USE="system-bootstrap system-llvm" make rust compile a lot faster

12:20 <ChaosPrincess> and if you are compiling your own browser - rip you

12:22 <jannau> 11 1/2 minutes for firefox

12:23 <jannau> 10 core m1 max

12:28 <chadmed> whyirc: these things are so bloody fast honestly gentoo is barely a consideration

12:28 <chadmed> 10 core m1 pro firefox with pgo and lto takes like 25 minutes

12:28 <MichaelLong> whyirc, regarding 3) isn't that something only you can answer yourself? I for one haven't really mist such a feature as I have backups or filesystem snapshots.

12:28 <chadmed> which is faster than firefox with no pgo or lto on my 5600x

12:28 <whyirc> Wow

12:29 <whyirc> I used gentoo for about half of a year on my 3600x some time ago

12:29 <chadmed> i also dogfood all the ebuilds so nothing (usually) breaks unless im pushing to the overlay at 11pm

12:29 <chadmed> in which case jannau fixes it by the time i wake up :)

12:30 <chadmed> but anyway if you use the tooling we maintain then you can go from nothing to a full desktop in a couple of hours with one of these machines

12:30 <chadmed> that includes the time it takes me to bootstrap clang/llvm as my system toolchain

12:39 <whyirc> Can i use llvm + systemd + merged usr stage3 to avoid wasting time on swithcing compilers?

12:59 <chadmed> i never managed to get the llvm profile working myself because of libstdc++ nonsense

12:59 <chadmed> but youre welcome to try