#asahi-re on 2022-02-10 — irc logs at oftc.irclog.whitequark.org

2021-07-26 22:57 ChanServ changed the topic of #asahi-re to: Asahi Linux: porting Linux to Apple Silicon macs | Hardware / boot process / firmware interface reverse engineering | WARNING: this channel (only) may contain binary reverse engineering discussion | RE policy: https://alx.sh/re (MANDATORY READ) | GitHub: https://alx.sh/g | Wiki: https://alx.sh/w | Logs: https://alx.sh/l/asahi-re

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18:53 <roxfan> what's kernelcache.release.vma2 for?

18:56 <roxfan> <key>Platform</key>

18:56 <roxfan> <string>vmapple2</string>

18:56 <roxfan> some kind of virtualization?

18:57 <roxfan> ah, mentioned with Virtualization.framework

19:10 <sven> it’s probably their kernel that can be booted on a “normal” arm machine without all their fancy extensions

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20:40 <alyssa> sven: ...arm64 hackintosh?

20:46 <jannau> I think it will use the macos specific parts of the virtualization framework https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization/vzmacplatformconfiguration?language=objc

20:48 <jannau> that might even run m1n1

21:04 <sven> When I looked into hvf a while ago you essentially got a regular armv8 without apple-internal entitlements

21:04 <sven> id be surprised if m1n1 runs in there

21:05 <sven> I wouldn’t be surprised if you could build a arm64 hackintosh with some patching of that kernel

21:05 <sven> alyssa: ^—

21:07 <sven> And as usual I keep forgetting the gpu…

21:07 <sven> so you can probably build a hackintosh and likely run that kernel inside qemu but you won’t get any graphics

21:09 <jannau> Apple added macos specific things to hvf in 12.0 and I suspect you need them to run vmapple

21:09 <jannau> it might be even enough to run m1n1

21:10 <jannau> https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization/installing_macos_on_a_virtual_machine?language=objc

21:13 <sven> hm, so far I assumed that was just their virtual iboot thing

21:13 <sven> but I should probably take a look again

21:13 <sven> (… and the gpu virtualization ofc)

21:14 <jannau> see "Virtualize macOS 12" on https://github.com/utmapp/UTM/releases

21:16 <sven> I’ll take a look at the kernel this weekend. It could be that it now allows GXF,SPRR and the apple PAC stuff

21:16 <sven> But it could also just be the virtual iboot thingy and gpu paravirtualization

21:19 <sven> the interesting part is inside hypervisor.framework fwiw

21:20 <sven> That’s the thing that decides which features are allowed. Iirc it passes a “hv level” to the syscall which created the vm