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<jasuarez> enunes: the devices in broadcom CI don't have any screen attached
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<airlied> agd5f: yes pretty toast at the moment, if stuff goes to a mailing list I still get it as well as I ever have
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<tomeu> enunes: there may be a better alternative that is software-only, but there are cheap hdmi dongles you can plug in to have Xorg happily boot up without real screens
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<tzimmermann> danvet, you already looked at takashi's udl patch #1. can you also look at #2 and #3, please? they are actually mine, so i cannot review them legitimatelly
<danvet> tzimmermann, I dropped an r-b onto #3 already
<tzimmermann> ok
<tzimmermann> thanks
<danvet> on some earlier version
<danvet> and some comments
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<emersion> ajax: would you have any objection to a new pixman release?
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<enunes> jasuarez: thanks, I wonder if there is anything I'm missing in my CI config to make HWCI_START_XORG work, do you have any hint?
<enunes> tomeu: I do have one of those, it could work but I would need a few more for all the boards
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<tomeu> enunes: do you have a link handy to a job that fails to start xorg?
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<enunes> tomeu: yes, this one from yesterday https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/enunes/mesa/-/jobs/27956136
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<tomeu> enunes: don't really know how to run a X server headless with hw acceleration, other than with a HDMI dongle, sorry
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<enunes> tomeu: no worries; I'm curious how the broadcom boards are doing it today, but otherwise can get a few cheap dongles and try that way too
<jasuarez> <enunes> "jasuarez: thanks, I wonder if..." <- IIRC we force the hdmi output even without screens attached
<jasuarez> There's an option in the rpi config to do so
<enunes> jasuarez: thanks, right... so some raspberry pi config specific thing
<enunes> it would be great if we could get that to run surfaceless, maybe still worth some try, otherwise looks like I'll be ordering those dongles
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<melissawen> danvet, yeah, I'm on it (and I see Igor is taking a look too)
<melissawen> didn't catch the issue before apply :/
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<emersion> jekstrand: is there a way to discover the stride alignment requirements for VK_EXT_external_memory_host?
<emersion> is it same as minImportedHostPointerAlignment? or something else?
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<alyssa> tomeu: I'm pretty sure I've done headless X servers on the odroid n2 without anything special
<alyssa> not really sure how it worked though
<alyssa> had it running an Xvnc server, that might be part?
<daniels> Xvfb also exists
<tomeu> guess it could be it, haven't been following much X-related in the past few years
<tomeu> Xvfb cannot do DRI though, right?
<daniels> I believe it can
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<daniels> afaict that's how virpipe traces execute
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<daniels> although, now I say that out loud ... nm
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<anholt> enunes: yeah, you don't need a monitor attached to bring up xorg for egl testing. it'll pick a default mode even if it can't detect something attached.
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<tomeu> yeah, virpipe doesn't do DRI I think
<tomeu> but I thought we used headless for traces
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<anholt> tomeu: we have an x server running, and the headless flag doesn't seem to do anything on eglretrace (which is what we use) as opposed to glretrace
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<enunes> anholt: this you meant on the raspberry pi systems right?
<anholt> I meant in general
<anholt> we also don't have displays on a3xx and a5xx.
<enunes> if I don't do anything special I just get "(EE) no screens found"
<anholt> do you have a kms-capable drm probed?
<enunes> it should be there, we have it enabled in the CI kernel config and it shows meson-drm here https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/enunes/mesa/-/jobs/27956136/raw
<anholt> I'd make sure the xorg log gets into the results and see what it says in there
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<enunes> anholt: on a related topic, as today we have this https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/blob/main/.gitlab-ci/container/build-deqp.sh#L27 , do you know if we some hard limitation on moving the deqp-egl to surfaceless, so we wouldn't need Xorg at all?
<anholt> I think that deqp-egl doesn't work surfaceless.
<enunes> I tried it with the surfaceless target and I just immediately get a "FATAL ERROR: EGL is not supported at tcuPlatform.cpp:49"
<anholt> also, we actually want to be testing the window system
<anholt> like, being able to interact with x11 and wayland is kind of a big deal, and we should be increasing our coverage there not reducing it
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<enunes> I would agree with that... though it's just a bit more difficult to set up in the CI system since then it starts bumping into the output related things
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<enunes> but I'll take a board for some manual tests and see if I can get it to work as it is
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<danvet> melissawen, arm32 build testing caught it here
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<melissawen> danvet, yeah. I also checked that replacing those (handmade) macros on vkms_format by functions in drm/drm_fixed.h can do the job
<melissawen> I already tested with arm and x86_64.. I'm on the way of building for other architectures
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<karolherbst> is there a practical difference if the driver or st/mesa calls into nir_to_tgsi?
<karolherbst> and what's the preference here
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<alyssa> karolherbst: I think the preference is that drivers do it and state trackers can assume that everyone speaks NIR
<alyssa> At least that's my perference
<alyssa> Note: am a NIR maintainer, may be biased
<alyssa> I would not call ntt in rusticl
<karolherbst> yeah... maybe
<karolherbst> but maybe st/mesa wants to do things differently
<karolherbst> I have no idea :D
<alyssa> I believe every driver that wants TGSI calls ntt anyway
<alyssa> and every driver that wants NIR calls ttn
<alyssa> it's all bad :-p
<karolherbst> sure, but why let 100 drivers do this, if we can handle that for all in st/mesa
<alyssa> because there are lots and lots of ways that shaders can be created in the frontend
<alyssa> like in u_simple_shaders
<karolherbst> mhhh.. right.. could have a wrapper around state creating callbacks though
<alyssa> if we want to convert those to NIR, they would all need to embed the preferred ir check
<alyssa> sure but ... there are what, 4 drivers that haven't gotten on the NIR train?
<karolherbst> probably
<karolherbst> nv30 is one of them
<alyssa> and they're all basically unmaintained now?
<karolherbst> wanna write a nir based compiler for nv30? :P
<alyssa> I'm not messing with frontend to delete a bit of code from them, if what we do now works
<alyssa> nope! :p
<karolherbst> the hw might be older than you are actually.. :D
<karolherbst> though it might be a fun project, but I also have other things to deal with :(
<karolherbst> though that might end in "uhh.. now I have to change nir" hell
<karolherbst> using loops in nv30 involves doing relocations...
<karolherbst> it's all a mess
<karolherbst> and we can't loop more than 256 times or something
<karolherbst> alyssa: btw, I think I'll merge rusticl this friday, in case you have nothing else to work on and want to mainline panfrosts CL support or something :P
<alyssa> ack
<alyssa> I unfortunately do have other things to work on, like my classes (boo)
<karolherbst> boooo
<karolherbst> do it like.. or don't because ... uhh.. I am a bad example :D
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<jekstrand> emersion: There should be no special stride requirements.
<jekstrand> emersion: If you create an image and tell it you're going to use external_memory_host, I guess it could theoretically use a higher stride.
<jekstrand> emersion: Except for the very explicit modifiers APIs, nothing lets the client set the stride anyway
<emersion> jekstrand: hm, yeah, the issue is that i don't decide on the stride, it comes from the wayland client, and then i want to upload it with external_memory_host
<emersion> hm, i'm not even sure i'm passing it to vulkan rn
<emersion> should i check that it's tightly packed?
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<jekstrand> emersion: What you can do is map it as a buffer with external_memory_host and then use CopyBufferToImage. Then you do control the stride and the only requirement is that it's an integer multiple of the size of a pixel.
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<alyssa> jekstrand: ofc that's slow :(
<bnieuwenhuizen> jekstrand: emersion: or try to use a LINEAR modifier and check if the driver accepts the stride you provide
<jekstrand> Or that ^^
<jekstrand> But that won't be any faster if you need to blit anyway
<bnieuwenhuizen> yeah, it is mostly to provide zero copy e.g. if you're trying to display it
<bnieuwenhuizen> if you're going to do interesting shader stuff you could even try to use a texel view
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<Shibe> jekstrand: great article, found a small typo https://i.imgur.com/xq5Tkwo.png
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