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<bbhtt> is drmModeCloseFB function here only useful for compositors https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/drm/-/merge_requests/332 or can it get used by other userspace applications that link against libdrm?
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<emersion> in general, FB IDs are only useful for KMS clients
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<bbhtt> emersion: Ok, thanks
<emersion> fwiw, xf86drmMode.h contains the KMS API, ie. should only be useful to compositors and the like
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<bbhtt> gstreamer uses some functions from it
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<emersion> that's… surprising
<emersion> which functions?
<bbhtt> drmModeAddFB2 in gst-plugins-bad I saw not sure if there are others
<emersion> does gstreamer have a plugin which displays stuff straight to KMS
<emersion> ?
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<bbhtt> I'm asking in the context of ABI changes though, not too sure about this stuff
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<bbhtt> I need to be relatively sure that mesa, gstreamer, libva - things that depend on libdrm won't use it
<emersion> anything that uses KMS may use it, anything else should not
<pq> gstreamer kmssink is a KMS client, yes
<bbhtt> yea then I can't be sure here thanks
<pq> bbhtt, what are you doing?
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<pq> bbhtt, I'd expect projects to declare the their minimum required library versions and check for them at build time.
<bbhtt> pq: tldr is, it's shipped as part of the flatpak runtime. I froze due to ABI additions in .120 but it was later reverted with that function patched to update to mesa 24.0
<bbhtt> now mutter is using it, but linking fails
<bbhtt> trying to figure out a safe way to revert the patch
<pq> mutter running inside flatpak?
<pq> sorry, I didn't understand any of that
<bbhtt> pq: gnome-build-meta uses it for their GNOME os
<bbhtt> gnome-build-meta uses freedesktop sdk
<bbhtt> freedesktop-sdk provides the runtimes for flatpaks and the base image for stuff like gnome os
<bbhtt> libdrm comes from freedesktop sdk and goes into child sdks like gnome, kde etc.
<pq> I know nothing of these sdk things, sorry.
<bbhtt> yep no worries, I figured I can't easily revert the patch and make the function public again
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<pq> Requiring forward ABI compatibility of libraries seems like a very tall order. libwayland does not provide that, either.
<bbhtt> unfortunately we have maintain both directions because of flatpak extensions
<bbhtt> only crypto libraries are allowed to break forward abi
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<MrCooper> bbhtt: seems like an SDK issue, not an upstream libdrm one
<bbhtt> yea
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<Ermine> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/26358 -- I guess this one will go to Mesa 25.x ?
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<Venemo> hi
<Venemo> is there anything preventing us from removing old git tags? the context for this is: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/issues/3970#note_2329003 CC eric_engestrom
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<DavidHeidelberg> austriancoder: Heya, one "nightly" flake https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/blu/mesa/-/jobs/56471662 (2nd run went successfully)
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<eric_engestrom> Venemo: if nobody says they need them, no reason to keep them
<eric_engestrom> one issue is that they might be accidentally pushed again by someone who hasn't deleted them locally
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<eric_engestrom> (I replied on the issue)
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<Venemo> eric_engestrom: not that many people push to the main repo these days, so I don't think it's a problem, but you are technically correct
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<swick[m]> hwentlan_ vsyrjala can you take a look at https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240305135155.231687-1-sebastian.wick@redhat.com/ at some point?
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* sima readies the ack stamp
<emersion> got enough ink?
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<sima> it's only one paragraph, one stamp is enough
<emersion> has anyone already given a physical Acked-by stamp as a kernel maintainer?
<emersion> to a*
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<sima> I have my 40th birthday this summer ...
<emersion> noted!
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<DemiMarie> sima: congratulations!
<DemiMarie> Generally, is userspace be able to put a GPU in a state that the kernel driver cannot get it out of (by resetting the GPU)?
<DemiMarie> Equivalently, can I assume that any case where the GPU fails to recover from userspace doing something nasty with it is automatically a bug in the kernel driver, firmware, or hardware?
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<sima> DemiMarie, yeah userspace shouldn't be able to permanently hang the gpu
<sima> reality is sometimes a disappointment though and some hw is very busted
<DemiMarie> sima: thanks! So that is at least one area where GPUs _are_ expected to be robust.
<DemiMarie> Is there any hardware that you can think of that is busted, and any hardware that is generally good?
<sima> newer tends to be better, with older ones we try to fill the gaps with command checkers and stuff like that, but not sure it's perfect
<sima> also reset tends to be more wobbly on older chips ime
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<DemiMarie> That’s good. Is this just for Intel GPUs, or is it a trend across all of the vendors?
<DemiMarie> sima: thank you for all of the help you have given me, and for all of the time you have spent giving me that help.
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<sima> DemiMarie, in general I think
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<DemiMarie> sima: that is good.
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<alyssa> mareko: post-hoc r-b on the zlib revert fwiw
<mareko> thanks
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<Ermine> I guess using mesa main is a relatively safe bet?
<mattst88> usually,yeah
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<Ermine> That's nice, thank you
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<DemiMarie> Is blending memory latency bound on CPUs? Do llvmpipe/lavapipe use non-temporal stores? If not, is it worth trying?
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