<bbhtt>
I'm asking in the context of ABI changes though, not too sure about this stuff
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<bbhtt>
I need to be relatively sure that mesa, gstreamer, libva - things that depend on libdrm won't use it
<emersion>
anything that uses KMS may use it, anything else should not
<pq>
gstreamer kmssink is a KMS client, yes
<bbhtt>
yea then I can't be sure here thanks
<pq>
bbhtt, what are you doing?
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<pq>
bbhtt, I'd expect projects to declare the their minimum required library versions and check for them at build time.
<bbhtt>
pq: tldr is, it's shipped as part of the flatpak runtime. I froze due to ABI additions in .120 but it was later reverted with that function patched to update to mesa 24.0
<bbhtt>
now mutter is using it, but linking fails
<bbhtt>
trying to figure out a safe way to revert the patch
<pq>
mutter running inside flatpak?
<pq>
sorry, I didn't understand any of that
<bbhtt>
pq: gnome-build-meta uses it for their GNOME os
<bbhtt>
gnome-build-meta uses freedesktop sdk
<bbhtt>
freedesktop-sdk provides the runtimes for flatpaks and the base image for stuff like gnome os
<bbhtt>
libdrm comes from freedesktop sdk and goes into child sdks like gnome, kde etc.
<sima>
it's only one paragraph, one stamp is enough
<emersion>
has anyone already given a physical Acked-by stamp as a kernel maintainer?
<emersion>
to a*
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<sima>
I have my 40th birthday this summer ...
<emersion>
noted!
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<DemiMarie>
sima: congratulations!
<DemiMarie>
Generally, is userspace be able to put a GPU in a state that the kernel driver cannot get it out of (by resetting the GPU)?
<DemiMarie>
Equivalently, can I assume that any case where the GPU fails to recover from userspace doing something nasty with it is automatically a bug in the kernel driver, firmware, or hardware?
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<sima>
DemiMarie, yeah userspace shouldn't be able to permanently hang the gpu
<sima>
reality is sometimes a disappointment though and some hw is very busted
<DemiMarie>
sima: thanks! So that is at least one area where GPUs _are_ expected to be robust.
<DemiMarie>
Is there any hardware that you can think of that is busted, and any hardware that is generally good?
<sima>
newer tends to be better, with older ones we try to fill the gaps with command checkers and stuff like that, but not sure it's perfect
<sima>
also reset tends to be more wobbly on older chips ime
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<DemiMarie>
That’s good. Is this just for Intel GPUs, or is it a trend across all of the vendors?
<DemiMarie>
sima: thank you for all of the help you have given me, and for all of the time you have spent giving me that help.
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<sima>
DemiMarie, in general I think
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<DemiMarie>
sima: that is good.
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<alyssa>
mareko: post-hoc r-b on the zlib revert fwiw
<mareko>
thanks
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<Ermine>
I guess using mesa main is a relatively safe bet?
<mattst88>
usually,yeah
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<Ermine>
That's nice, thank you
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<DemiMarie>
Is blending memory latency bound on CPUs? Do llvmpipe/lavapipe use non-temporal stores? If not, is it worth trying?
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