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<kode54>
random question, what filesystem is /?
<airlied>
ext3 by the looks, those systems are old
<kode54>
wow
<kode54>
none of my installs are even that old
<airlied>
2005
<kode54>
hot damn
<karolherbst>
impressive
<karolherbst>
but even then ext4 already existed, no?
<karolherbst>
ehh wait
<karolherbst>
I was thinking of 2015 🙃
<karolherbst>
ext4 is 2008 stable
<kode54>
I don't even actively run any machines old enough to qualify for that
<kode54>
I have one machine that may be old enough
<kode54>
Athlon64 3200+, 1GB of DDR, Radeon 9800 Pro 256MB
<karolherbst>
a beast
<kode54>
hasn't been powered on in years, last time I serviced it, I had replaced a dead PSU with the cheapest piece of crap I could afford, and lost all my fan speed regulation, so all the case fans sound like a jet engine
<karolherbst>
pain
<kode54>
I already replaced the Radeon's heatsink/fan with a Zalman thing, because the builtin one's fans died of dust incursion
<kode54>
after I spent a few months back then of sticking my finger into the fans to ramstop them to temporarily abate them vibrating like mad
<airlied>
I think the machine has been updated since install though
<airlied>
has a 2010 CPU
<kode54>
nice
<kode54>
let's see how old my current primary machine install is
<kode54>
2022-10-31T06:08:56+0000 from the first line of my installer log
<kode54>
this install has been backed up and restored across multiple filesystem formats too
<kode54>
can't make up my own dang mind which FS to use
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<robclark>
mupuf: huh, is lists.fd.o grumpy with gmail now?
<mupuf>
robclark: or rather gmail grumpy with too many emails received
<robclark>
hmm, I wonder how many lists I've been silently unsubscribed from
<robclark>
I do seem to be still getting dri-devel@
<mupuf>
May be related to what the vger people spoke about on mastodon
<robclark>
oh wait.. "Your membership in the mailing list dri-devel has been disabled due to excessive bounces The"
<robclark>
mupuf: anyways, thx for bringing it to my attention
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<mupuf>
robclark: y w
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<mupuf>
robclark: just got another flood of gmail rejections
<mupuf>
they must be limiting in bulk the amount of emails coming from a single server
<robclark>
joy
<daniels>
it’s not quite that coarse afaict - it’s fine for a while, then they suddenly get skeptical about our mail so start rejecting more - then the fact we’re having not rejected but still sending decreases the reputation further and leads to even more being rejected
<daniels>
*having more rejected
<daniels>
I asked the vger admins how they dealt with it when we were <50% successful delivery, and they had a couple of pointers like DMARC etc, but the main answer was ‘we don’t really, and if you want mail delivered then you should run your own MX’
<daniels>
that was the point I gave up on tilting at that particular windmill
<daniels>
I think there might be a couple of things we can do, like never sending the content of individual mails for moderation to list admins, because if they’re spam (and they usually are) then we’re just forwarding spam
<daniels>
and definitely following the newly-published recommendations around DKIM/DMARC/etc
<daniels>
but at some point I figured that we’re unlikely to do better than vger
<daniels>
which is fine in a way, but also makes it a bit pointless to try to run lists when (last I looked, some years ago) ~80% of our outbound delivery is to either Google or Microsoft
<daniels>
(iirc by volume it was 50 and 30% respectively)
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<MrCooper>
FWIW, I noticed one class of bounces from gmail being "550-5.7.26 Gmail requires all senders to authenticate with either SPF or DKIM. Authentication results: DKIM = did not pass SPF [lists.freedesktop.org] with ip: [131.252.210.177] = did not pass For instructions on setting up authentication, go to https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126#authentication"