ChanServ changed the topic of #wayland to: https://wayland.freedesktop.org | Discussion about the Wayland protocol and its implementations, plus libinput
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<karl5fox> Thanks Kenny, let me check the version, its the one that is mirrored by MS so I'm sure its not the "latest"
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<Consolatis> <*> DemiMarie hopes that not too much will break without the protocol implemented (Qubes OS)
<Consolatis> re shortcut protocol: No, it doesn't. Some user controlled (rather than application controlled) alternative mode to supress handling stuff like A-Tab / A-F4 when a specific window has keyboard focus would likely be beneficial for VM / remote clients though
<Consolatis> I personally very much prefer to not allow random applications like browsers to disable compositor shortcuts just because they got focus, it should be the choice of the user to do so
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<dviola> damn it, 6.12-rc6 is also broken (sway inside QEMU has the mouse cursor inverted down)
<dviola> time to bisect
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<dviola> doesn't look like a kernel regression
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<dviola> bluetail: I might have given you the wrong info in saying that kernel 6.11.6-arch1-1 broke things
<dviola> looks like it's a problem with weston and hyprland too, will need to check mesa next
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<karenw> So updated ubuntu, and now it has "Default Queue" in the output of WAYLAND_DEBUG=client for objects not on a custom queue. Is there a way to name custom queues in a similar way?
<kchibisov> yes, they should use the new with name api.
<kchibisov> e.g. mesa uses it already.
<karenw> Right. Looks like the mesa amd vulkan driver doesn't, so I may go and fix that then.
<kchibisov> they do, if they are compiled against the new version.
<karenw> Hmm, okay. I'll make sure I've grabbed the latest then.
<kchibisov> the point is not the latest, but that mesa was built against the new libwayland with support for it.
<kchibisov> so you could have latest mesa, but it could have built against previous libwayland.
<karenw> Ooooh, that *would* make sense. I think the ppa I'm using is latest mesa but built against libwayland from ubuntu 24.04 not 24.10.
<karenw> Thanks kchibisov
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<MrCooper> dviola: mostly not even trivial fixes, just churn for questionable if any benefit
<MrCooper> Consolatis: FWIW, gnome-shell asks for user consent before inhibiting shortcuts
<MrCooper> (and that dialogue explains how to break the inhibition)
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<karenw> Huh. wl_surface::frame doesn't work as I expected. It only seems to trigger on events like losing input focus. I expected to get 30/60/N callbacks a second.
<kennylevinsen> karenw: The wl_surface_frame callback fires once when committed at the next time the compositor believes it's a good time to draw
<kennylevinsen> for a visible surface in a common setup you'll find that it's generally tied to monitor refresh
<karenw> kennylevinsen: Rubber Duck Debugging strikes again. I needed to call frame() *before* commit.
<kennylevinsen> yup, it's double-buffered. :)
<karenw> Like most things (although my mental model was not including server-triggered events as being part of that until now)
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<wlb> wayland-protocols Issue #228 opened by () Pedantic build tests cannot execute because of undeclared dependencies https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/issues/228
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<karenw> Hmm, I encountered a similar issue trying to compile code using cursor-shape, had to manually generate headers for tablet-unstable-v2 in order to get it to compile originally (it's now in stable/). Despite not using or supporting touch/tablets in any way.
<karenw> I feel like some kind of machine-readable dependency tracking between protocols would be useful.
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<diego> MrCooper: I see
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<dviola> this doesn't look right, in my QEMU VM glxinfo reports virgl is in use, but also radeonsi, shouldn't radeonsi be limited to the host only?
<dviola> if I'm not mistaken, virtio_gpu_dri.so should be loaded on the guest but it isn't
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<soreau> dviola: you said it used to work? do you know what version of mesa it was working with? if you have a good commit, you can perform a bisect
<wlb> wayland-protocols Merge request !363 opened by () tests: Make build-only tests actually build-only https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/363
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<dviola> soreau: yes, it used to work
<MrCooper> dviola: what does "virgl is in use, but also radeonsi" mean exactly?
<dviola> let me show you, one sec
<MrCooper> the GL renderer string says both virgl and radeonsi?
<dviola> MrCooper: indeed
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<MrCooper> then I suspect virgl simply also reports the host driver
<MrCooper> it's not possible for two drivers to be active at the same time for the same GL context
<dviola> that's on the guest
<dviola> I'm pretty sure something broke, just can't tell exactly what yet
<dviola> lsof shows a bunch of libdrm_*.so open but no virtio_gpu_dri.so
<MrCooper> it's clearly a feature, not a bug :) virgl gets the host driver name from the host and includes it in its renderer string
<dviola> MrCooper: ah, then I just never seen it before
<MrCooper> *the host renderer string
<dviola> or maybe I did and don't remember
<MrCooper> maybe it was added recently
<dviola> ah ok, thanks
<MrCooper> well it was added in Mesa over 3 years ago, maybe your hypervisor didn't report the information before though
<dviola> makes sense
<dviola> this is really odd now :D -- I started recording the screen with wf-recorder and as soon as the recording starts, the mouse pointer becomes usable again, although I still see the inverted mouse below, so there are two cursors on the screen
<dviola> if I stop recording, the only cursor left on screen is the odd one
<soreau> dviola: wf-recorder makes sw cursor happen
<soreau> (FWIW)
<soreau> and wf-recorder is per-output
<dviola> I see
<dviola> ahh, WLR_NO_HARDWARE_CURSORS=1 made it go away again
<dviola> had this issue in the past with sway on QEMU, but it went away for a while... now it's back
<soreau> dviola: sounds like a possible wlroots issue in that case
<soreau> but you mentioned it happens on weston too?
<dviola> iirc, around kernel 6.8 it went away
<dviola> just tried weston now, and it's fine...
<dviola> yeah maybe I did something wrong in my previous test
<dviola> river also has the issue
<soreau> probably wlroots related
<soreau> maybe try 0.17 vs 0.18
<soreau> wayfire master is on 0.17, track-wlroots branch on 0.18 too
<dviola> yep, will do, thanks
<soreau> đź‘Ť
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<soreau> the unfortunate thing is, wlroots is kinda difficult to bisect with constant unstable API churn :P
<dviola> I'm also running sway on the host and the cursor on the host also looks weird, maybe that got me confused when I tested weston on the VM
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<dviola> soreau: ah heh
<soreau> dviola: if you find 0.17 works, then try to gather info and complain loudly in #wlroots ;)
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<soreau> and maybe file an issue
<dviola> ha :P they probably get enough complaining already, but I will let them know ;)
<dviola> I bet they get less now, with hyprland not using it anymore... sorry
<dviola> I know vaxry was complaining very loudly about wlroots for a while
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<karl5fox> hey guys, so I've gotten weston to output the three monitors over the RDP shell, they show as XWAYLAND0 - XWAYLAND02 at the shell, but in the gui terminal in GNOME I see WAYLAND0 connected and rdp-0, rdp-4, rdp-3 disconnected. Can I put those RDP-0 etc in weston.ini as outputs?
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<dviola> tbh I think wayland is too good to be true sometimes, it mostly just works for me nowadays... I went back to X a couple of days ago and couldn't believe I never saw the tearing before
<DemiMarie> How does one see tearing?
<dviola> one thing I often hear people complain about wayland is how they need portals and pipewire for screen sharing, are portals always going to be mandatory for screen sharin or will that be replaced in the future?
<DemiMarie> Depends on your compositor
<dviola> sharing*
<soreau> dviola: I made wayfire tear and it didn't show up in the video ;) https://streamable.com/h5njy4
<DemiMarie> Portals are the portable solution, but some compositors offer non-portable extension APIs
<kennylevinsen> wayland protocols are also a perfectly portable solution, it’s just a different solution
<kennylevinsen> dviola: portals are currently the design flatpak and it’s proponents favor so it’s unlikely to go away anytime soon
<kennylevinsen> pipewire isn’t going away either - and people were used to pulseaudio, so a more capable modern replacement isn’t an issue
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<dviola> DemiMarie: I see a noticeable difference when scrolling with firefox on wayland and X, when I was using X I was like "why do I even need a compositor?" because it was good enough, but I see the difference now
<dviola> soreau: hah
<dviola> kennylevinsen: ah yes, pipewire is really good
<DemiMarie> dviola: is it a case of one being able to see the different images or is it more something that feels wrong subconsciously?
<psykose> you see a torn line on the screen
<psykose> where e.g. above it is the new frame and below it is the old frame
<dviola> DemiMarie: good question, it's mostly about text not flowing as smoothly, what psykose said (I think)
<kennylevinsen> Tearing is very obvious, but you also often ran separate compositors to fix it
<psykose> separate compositors that crashed 4 times a day
<psykose> i wonder if that ever got fixed, sure didn't in all the time i used X
<dviola> for me crashes related to X were almost always due to some issues with xf86-video-intel, went away after I switched to -modesetting
<kennylevinsen> The path to get pixels to your screen is a lot simpler now, that’s for sure
<dviola> good
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<dviola> kennylevinsen: I suspect it's going to take a while to fully get rid of xwayland, if ever though
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<dviola> brodie just made a video that his windows doesn't resize as smoothly under xwayland :P
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<kennylevinsen> I ran Xwayland free for a year, I barely noticed anything missing
<jadahl> kennylevinsen: gitk
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<jadahl> it's the main thing that keeps my Xwayland running
<dviola> I should try that sometime but for me it's Steam
<jadahl> I should try to find time to game again :|
<dviola> heh
<dviola> yeah I don't do a lot of gaming anymore, maybe a few hours a month, sometimes not even that :P
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* kennylevinsen cheats in that regard with consoles
* linkmauve still needs Xwayland exactly because of consoles… Dolphin reverted its Wayland backend years ago, and no one proposed it again.
<jadahl> kennylevinsen: me too, I have a NES I played on once last month until a toddler also wanted to hold the controller
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<kennylevinsen> jadahl: as in that the NES is now the property of your toddler or reduced to something no longer resembling a NES?
<wlb> weston Merge request !1640 opened by () Draft: backend-drm: Implement DRM_FORMAT_MOD_BROADCOM_SAND128 support https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/merge_requests/1640
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<jadahl> kennylevinsen: the NES is waiting for the toddler to gain a few more years until it becomes theirs :P
<kennylevinsen> Better start educating them early :)
<kennylevinsen> Ugh those modifiers with size-dependent parameters encoded into them again…
<soreau> jadahl: I had this plan for an old P4 machine but now probably would have to get a tcouhscreen for it, since there's a certain addiction to touchscreens that has developed
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<soreau> if you can't touch it - it's broke
<soreau> (the DS4->rpi->rc car project is a bit more successful, but they still want me to drive it)
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<jadahl> soreau: did the plan work out?
<soreau> jadahl: yet to be seen, we have to decide where it will live first
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<soreau> jadahl: it might help in your situation to acquire the 'stomp/jump pad' or whatever it's called, so they can just dance around to make input happen (only supported by certains games, like track meet IIRC)
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