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<bjorkintosh> jessicah is cross-compiling from linux to haiku possible?
<x512[m]> Yes with patched LLVM.
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<jessicah> bjorkintosh: packages in haikuports get built in haiku anyway, so may as well ensure it works from within haiku
<bjorkintosh> dog fooding.
<jessicah> the haikuports process is quite specific, so it needs to be tested in the proper way
<jessicah> just annoying that got caught out by a bug with where the build dir needed to be located, caused the build to fail last night
<jessicah> something that I wouldn't have caught without using haikuporter
<jessicah> 4 hours in, 60% done :p
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/ab060fe7e2f2...0a88b724f684
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 0a88b72 - Kotatogram: fix build
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<rennj> beos and the illusion of fast because of the pervasive multithreading...
<rennj> even back in the day it was not really a fast os.. nic,disk, not sure of ram...
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<rennj> multimedia os when winblows and linux need add-on extensions to do the same..they didnt come out of the box ready to go...
<rennj> like ubuntu vs linux mint...non-free codecs
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<rennj> vmstat iostat netstat those old chestnuts...
<rennj> https://wikitia.com/wiki/Adrian_Cockcroft was big on those back in the day
<rennj> sun preformance tuning book with porshe on it...how 90's
<rennj> Adrian Cockcroft is the VP of Cloud Architecture Strategy at Amazon Web Services. He was previously a Technology Fellow at Battery Ventures, and before that a cloud architect at Netflix, where he was instrumental in their migration to a “cloud first” architecture[1]. Prior to Netflix he held distinguished engineer roles at eBay, where he was a founding member of eBay Research Labs[2], and Sun Microsystems. He speaks frequently on architecture and open sour
<rennj> ce[3], and writes about technology trends on Medium and Twitter.
<rennj> impressive resume!
<rennj> bfs and c++ multithreading was win win...
<rennj> compared to winblows95/98/nt/2k or linux ext2
<rennj> irc and email from file-manager ftw!
<rennj> beos bfs attribs extend the db feature of filesystem
<rennj> sort email with from to subject lines, or irc
<rennj> right in the filemanager...
<rennj> background daemon pulled periodically cron/atd from servers...
<rennj> wait not irc but usenet/newsgroups and email
<rennj> heh
<rennj> usenet/email/gopher could have been all done in file-manager
<rennj> morning news ready to go
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<netpositive> morning
<Begasus> morning netpositive
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<Begasus_32> 95% tests passed, 10 tests failed out of 209
<rennj> ship it!
<rennj> quality control and all
<Begasus> not bad for gulrak_filesystem (thanks on the pointer there jessicah! :)
<Begasus> some of the failed tests related to creating hard links, so expected
<rennj> hard links vs soft ...crossing the partition boundary's
<rennj> those who dont learn unix repeat it badly...
<rennj> everything is file unix vs everything is stream m$/vms/winblows
<rennj> everything is byte in memory = c
<nephele> Good morning
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<Begasus> g'morning nephele
<Begasus> thanks on the update for doxygen
<Begasus> Once the patch gets upstreamed to filesystem no need to patch that anymore :)
<nephele> That's nice :), i only updated it to 1.9.6 since i needed it for testing
<Begasus> current patch for doxygen is merged, but won't be needed if filesystem.hpp is updated there
<Begasus> heading out, cu later: PR updated upstream :) https://github.com/gulrak/filesystem/pull/163
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<nephele> uhh... did gopher support break again? .-.
<rennj> support is for life
<rennj> hmm client server vs mainframe
<rennj> some retro bbs computing nerd/geek has server answering dial up bbs calls...haha
<rennj> for all you modem users!
<rennj> bbs!
<nephele> I think curl support broke gopher :)
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<jessicah> Begasus_32: no worries :)
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<x512[m]> jessicah: Begasus Can this be already applied: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/pull/7792 ?
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<Begasus> x512[m], on my account it should be fine to merge the PR for meson
<Begasus> jmairboeck, thanks on the comments, didn't know there was so much interest in that PR (no recipe for that in haikuports yet) :)
<x512[m]> Begasus: Who else I need to ask?
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<Begasus> I asked you earlier, then you said it needed some testing so I waited, but checked with some recipes here, so far I haven't run into issues
<Begasus> so if it's OK on you side too I can merge
<Begasus> you/your*
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/0a88b724f684...a2fd1f864e90
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] X547 a2fd1f8 - meson: bump to 1.0.0, set default Haiku install paths (#7792)
<jmairboeck> Begasus: I just checked it out quickly and made a few suggestions to simplify the CMake
<Begasus> jmairboeck, thanks, just pulled in the PR as a patch to check, seems to be fine :)
<Begasus> (after bumping the PR just a few minutes ago)
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/a2fd1f864e90...c4ee240313db
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] robxnano c4ee240 - libebml: Use standard integer types (#7856)
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/c4ee240313db...6cbfdccc36f1
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb 6cbfdcc - ffmpegGUI: new recipe for v1.1
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<jessicah> ugh, I can see why projects pin a specific version of llvm... always a nightmare to package _every_ time
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<Begasus> PR created for gulrak_filesystem, comments welcome :) (at haikuports)
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<jessicah> oh nice, the latest haikuporter commit fixes some more cmake wonkiness... cmake really took build systems in the wrong direction :-/
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<tqh> while it is not good, the other build systems are not that great either..
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/6cbfdccc36f1...33740c69c4bb
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 33740c6 - catch2, new recipe (#7866)
<nosycat> Funny how no-one can seem to get it right.
<nosycat> On a different note: where's the best place to report an issue?
<Begasus> Depends on what you want to report I guess nosycat ?
<Begasus> There is https://dev.haiku-os.org for Haiku related stuff, and https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/issues for haikuports related stuff
<nosycat> It's an issue with the Tkinter extension for Python, so it kind of involves both.
<Begasus> already reported :)
<nosycat> Figures. Thank you!
<nosycat> That's the one. No worries.
<Begasus> Patches welcome :)
<nosycat> Way over my head, sorry. ^^;
<Begasus> Same here :)
<nosycat> But! I could plausibly learn how to package Tcllib and Tklib. Maybe. (Famous last words.)
<Begasus> that one could use an update :) tcl is already at the latest release thanks to jmairboeck :)
<Begasus> Ah, seen those passing by on Repology
<jmairboeck> or tk recipe is as current as it gets, because we use an SDL based version for now. The official one is broken and more complex things don't work because of problems with xlibe. waddlesplash knows more about that.
<Begasus> ah right, think I remember something about that
<nosycat> Right, it's based on UndroidWish.
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<jmairboeck> actually I have a "work in progress" branch in my fork, but haven't created a PR for it because it is broken anyway: https://github.com/jmairboeck/haikuports/commit/bf6f2cb86678612699e9c441108a4405e3e037b8
<nosycat> Takes a lot of work, and it's still going to look non-native. :)
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<Begasus> nosycat, at least for tcllib it should be easy to package (don't know if it works but it's not that hard) :)
<nosycat> I skimmed the docs. Looks reasonable.
<Begasus> just did a wip build, only needed "configure" with prefix and make install :)
<nosycat> You're quick!
<Begasus> Checked repology earlier, but those seem to use tclsh installer.tcl
<Begasus> Well, make install uses it too
<nosycat> I see!
<Begasus> same for tklib (in the paste)
<nosycat> Thank you so much.
<Begasus> that was the one for tcllib
<nosycat> Right!
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<Begasus> Now you got me side-tracked :)
<nosycat> Sorry.
<Begasus> np, isn't the first time, and I like a chalenge now and then :)
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<Begasus_32> grabbing tcllib_x86-1.21-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg and moving it to /Opslag/haikuports/packages/tcllib_x86-1.21-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg
<Begasus> ;)
<nosycat> <3
<Begasus> just a quicky, lot's of things should be changed the wip recipe I used :)
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<nosycat> I'll try it ASAP.
<Begasus> No hurry, we'll see it once you file a PR for it :)
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<nosycat> Errr... :)
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<nielx[m]> FYI: The HaikuDepot website and web services will be offline for about 60 minutes from now due to a software update
<nosycat> Thanks for the heads-up.
<Begasus> Not much happening here, but thanks nielx[m] :)
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<BrunoSpr> hi all
<nosycat> Hello!
<BrunoSpr> is haikudepot broken?
<nosycat> Down for maintenance.
<BrunoSpr> ah ok thx
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<Begasus> is this BSD cluase2 or cluase3?
<Begasus> clause*
<nosycat> Good question. Let me check.
<nosycat> It doesn't actually look like any BSD license.
<Begasus> it's mentioned as BSD by others on Repology :/
<Begasus> I'll just rename it as TLC I think ...
<Begasus> hmm .. tcl/tk using clause2 it seems atm at haikuports
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<augiedoggie_> the github 'licensee' tool can't detect which license it is
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<nosycat> So it says, but look: all BSD licenses have that specific n-point format. https://opensource.org/licenses/?s=bsd
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<nielx[m]> HaikuDepotServer is back. Any testing is appreciated
<Begasus> nice, test run didn't show any errors :)
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<nosycat> Seems to work!
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/33740c69c4bb...0406dbfca56b
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 0406dbf - tcllib, new recipe (#7867)
<Begasus> check started :)
<Begasus> nosycat, you should be able to install it once buildmaster finishes :)
<Begasus> heading out for a bit
<nosycat> I can't wait!
<nosycat> Take care.
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<_Dario_> HaikuDepot looks fine here :-)
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<nielx[m]> Thanks for checking all!
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<nosycat> o/
<Begasus> nosycat, build completed, you should be able to install tcllib now :)
<nosycat> Thanks, one moment.
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<Begasus> Heading down here, if there are any issues please report at haikuports nosycat :)
<Begasus> g'night peeps!
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<nosycat> Night!
<nosycat> Belatedly: it works!
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<OscarL> Muahahaaa! It's ALIVE! (I've just revived an almost 20 years old small driver I've never published). I give you: https://github.com/OscarL/it87
<OscarL> it's a driver for the "Environmental Controller" function on the ITE87xx "SuperIO" chips found on some motherboards.
<OscarL> It basically lets you monitor the motherboard voltages, temps, and fan speeds.
<OscarL> Not much, but... at least now I can monitor the voltages, and see if my work in progress undervolting tool for older AMD CPUs is working or not :-D
<bjorkintosh> good job.
<AlienSoldier> all sperm... all drivers are precious
<AlienSoldier> anyone know if video card do 240 × 160 (GBA resolution). I want to use a small CRT do do that and not have to rely on resolution interpolation.
<AlienSoldier> I know haiku is still racist for very low resolution :(
<bjorkintosh> choosy, you mean?
<AlienSoldier> does not have the same impact :P
<AlienSoldier> it does not make haiku a nice retro gaming rig as it is for now.
<dqk> the smallest a pc could do was 160x100 in glorious 16 color text mode on a cga card
<dqk> however, i don't think cga emulation is present anymore
<dqk> the smallest you can get if i'm not mistaken is 320x200
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<jessicah> AlienSoldier: don't think it's a haiku issue, pretty sure most video bios these days don't report such low resolutions
<jessicah> OscarL: nice work :)
<OscarL> thanks jessicah :-)
<jessicah> oof, think I might have finally nailed the llvm 15 recipe
<OscarL> Seems the W83627 SuperIO chips from Winbond are similar enough in operation that I should be able to write a driver for those too.
<jessicah> such a pita
<jessicah> how old are systems with those chips?
* OscarL stays away of such big packages... he's CPUs are way too slow to compile anything bigger than Python :-D
<OscarL> jessicah: judging by the age of my motherboards... around 13/15 years :-D
<jessicah> damn, so space heaters :p haha
<OscarL> Phenom II X4... gets a bit toasty with the small heatsink I have... thus the need to undervolt it :-D
<jessicah> is a rpi faster? :p
<jessicah> lol
* OscarL hugs his old PC telling it "shhh, do not listen to her! She's just kidding." while he sobs silently.
<OscarL> At least it beats my Atom N450 :-P
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