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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/e9169f8971a2...57fa74f398eb
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] hoanga 57fa74f - nim: update to 2.0.4 (#10424)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/57fa74f398eb...31ecaa081983
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] hoanga 31ecaa0 - mg: update to 7.3 (#10425)
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<coolcoder613> This is the image macOS shows for a PC on the network: https://0x0.st/XXFK.png
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<coolcoder613_> I'm rooting my router, for some reason
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] korli pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57728] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=0ec6e1ceb804+%5Ef82119e9101f
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 0ec6e1ceb804 - rtl8125: Fix -Wreturn-mismatch
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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<phschafft> coolcoder613: good evening.
<coolcoder613> Hi Begasus, phschafft
<Begasus> Hi there phschafft coolcoder613
<phschafft> all good?
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<coolcoder613> Yup
<phschafft> :)
<Begasus> coolcoder613, seen this? https://dillo-browser.github.io/latest.html
<rennj> hmm dillo
<rennj> heh old skool
<coolcoder613> Saw it on HN
<Begasus> Just saw it in OSNews feed :)
<coolcoder613> Looks equally bad everywhere
<coolcoder613> But still wprks very nicely
<coolcoder613> *works
<Begasus> haven't looked into it, but yeah probably, not sure if it's better then dillo-plus which we have now
<rennj> gtk/qt browser should be better
<Begasus> It's not about the alternative, plenty there :)
<rennj> i still have old dillo here im sure
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<rennj> fbsd4.4 vm
<rennj> but it was always barebones, netsurf
<coolcoder613> NetSurf FTW
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<coolcoder613> But no native macOS version is sad
<rennj> probably suck to port
<Begasus> Web+/Falkon/Konqueror atm here :)
<rennj> we got the same cpu Begasus AMD Ryzen 7 5825U
<rennj> i saw in screenshot
<Begasus> ah, nice one rennj
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<rennj> 8core/16thread ..every linux iso i tried still boot in hpet mode for clocksource and not tsc
<rennj> told you about stress-ng
<Begasus> yeah been passing by, been a while though
<Begasus> works like a charm here for Haiku
<rennj> fans acpi temps?
<rennj> cpu gpu m.2/ssd
<rennj> 95C is peak..i saw 91C once
<Begasus> when compiling it can be a "bit" noisy yes :)
<rennj> on this lenovo craptop
<rennj> i been 22day in tsc clocksource mode in linux
<Begasus> HP laptop here
<rennj> since i got back to cali from vegas tax season
<rennj> 14GB compile job ubuntu/popos i did
<rennj> i already took laptop apart
<rennj> put 1 TB ssd in
<rennj> 512GB was to small
<coolcoder613> I'm stuck with 256GB here
<coolcoder613> and only 8GB of RAM
<rennj> my phone
<rennj> its crazy
<coolcoder613> On a M1 MBA
<rennj> my moto phone has 6GB 300GB 8core
<Begasus> came with 1TB disk, 16GB ram
<rennj> motorola
<rennj> and its 2022 tech like my zen3 laptop
<rennj> fm radio always
<rennj> i had fm radio all motorola phones
<coolcoder613> I don't have a smartphone
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<rennj> Begasus, soldered ram 16GB...lame..i had 16GB on my last amd laptop from 2015
<rennj> my lenovo soldered ram
<rennj> low profile
<coolcoder613> I use a Nokia C2-01, not mine though
<rennj> RMS borrows other peoples phones also...
<rennj> he doesnt own one himself
<coolcoder613> My grandfather only has landline
<rennj> i really thing this craptop should have had 32GB of ram
<Begasus> grabbing stress_ng-0.17.08-1-x86_64.hpkg and moving it to /Opslag/haikuports/packages/stress_ng-0.17.08-1-x86_64.hpkg :)
<rennj> my first all metal laptop
<rennj> MIL-STD-810H
<rennj> i bought at walmart for like $630
<rennj> nov 2023
<rennj> $85 for 1TB m.2 ssd
<rennj> cali taxes
<rennj> like 13%
<rennj> those prices are after cali tax
<rennj> walmart selling my craptop for $500 now
<Begasus> prizes drop crazy fast
<Begasus> hope this one can keep my busy for some years
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<rennj> my 2015 hp amd laptop lasted till nov 2023
<rennj> the power button is what failed
<rennj> and i didnt feel like dealing with it anymore after that
<rennj> i bought it in 2016 it was made in 2015.
<rennj> this laptop and phone and speaker are all made in 2022 tech..
<rennj> speaker is like ups
<rennj> lose power i can run laptop off speaker
<rennj> beside internal batt
<rennj> im not flashing bios/firmware..been running it sincde nov2023 with kernel/vmware i built for it then..no problems.
<rennj> besides hpet mode
<rennj> i have to force kernel to boot in tsc...
<rennj> all linux distro's i bet on your laptop will boot in hpet mode for clocksource is what im saying
<rennj> and benchmark stress-ng clocksource hpet vs tsc
<rennj> tsc hpet acpi_pm 3 clocksource for linux foo anyway
<rennj> wonder how haiku does on stess-ng vs linux stress-ng
<rennj> same hardware
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+3/-3/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/31ecaa081983...d47be5739e43
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus d47be57 - stress_ng, bump version (#10426)
<Begasus> there :)
<rennj> nice
<rennj> redhat has docs on running it
<rennj> i just went with redhat stress tests
<rennj> but tsc smokes hpet mode i know that
<rennj> according to tests..and 22day uptime..only thing i worry about 91C was damn close to 95C thermal limit of this cpu
<rennj> what the fuck lenovo
<rennj> acpi foo...
<rennj> the vega gpu is bogus compared to zen4
<Begasus> Okular is great to read some md files that don't show up so well in a browser
<rennj> windows10 rocks in vmware on craptop..
<Begasus> bugger ... stress-ng: info: [67338] thermal zone temperatures not available
<rennj> acpi foo..hp is good with thermal limits..i dont trust lenovo
<rennj> if the os doesnt have it the firmware does...basically..fallback
<rennj> lenovo fuck with acpi tables..besides whitelist on wifi cards, and man-in-middle your https connection
<Begasus> not sure if it's bad or good though :P
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<rennj> well i can run it against mine
<rennj> command line
<rennj> like redhat docs:
<rennj> stress-ng --cpu 4 --vm 2 --hdd 1 --fork 8 --timeout 2m --metrics
<rennj> stress-ng --matrix -1 --tz -t 60
<rennj> stress-ng --vdso 1 -t 5 --metrics
<rennj> stress-ng --iomix 4 --smart -t 30s
<rennj> stress-ng --branch 1 --perf -t 10 --stdout | grep Branch
<rennj> those bench marks
<rennj> in the docs
<Begasus> those are mentioned in the README.md :)
<rennj> yeah
<rennj> well redhat has better i think
<rennj> i recall reading there stuff
<Begasus> some of those checks are not supported on Haiku
<rennj> but i pasted those in my notes
<rennj> ahh
<Begasus> like: stress-ng: info: [68043] vdso: this stressor is not implemented on this system: x86_64 Haiku 1 musl-gcc 13.2.0 (built without sys/auxv.h, link.h, getauxval() or AT_SYSINFO_EHDR defined)
<rennj> hold on...
<rennj> testing...
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<rennj> heh about to run it from this vm
<rennj> let me switch to host
<Begasus> heh
<rennj> and i didnt make terminal big enough ..so looked stupid
<rennj> the output
<rennj> the pig process is currently running
<rennj> cpu at 71, gpu 60, ssd 30
<rennj> temps
<Begasus> temps not supported in Haiku
<rennj> yeah but dogfooding is proper
<Begasus> but I see it's quite a bare recipe, no libraries listed in requirements (only had to add one because of linker failure)
<rennj> almost meaningless
<rennj> haha
<rennj> benchmarks
<rennj> you need base system..to go off
<rennj> fork!
<Begasus> faster then here: 2919.49 MB/sec write rate (harmonic mean of 1 instance) :)
<Begasus> the other parts are not that far of from here
<rennj> the 1TB m.2 ssd is gen4 wd black
<rennj> WD Black SN770 witch doesnt have dram uses system ram for cache
<rennj> still gaming ssd claim
<rennj> gen4pcie is why..
<rennj> the fork process i would be more concerned about
<rennj> not the hdd throughput
<rennj> meh..too little info really
<rennj> stress-ng: metrc: [68602] fork 329031 120.00 43.73 314.72 2741.85 917.93 37.34 0
<rennj> stress-ng: metrc: [14715] fork 1974557 120.00 285.55 495.64 16454.63 2527.61 81.37 3388
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<Begasus> forking is done in the browser, so not concerned there atm :)
<rennj> more forks called in linux then haiku perhaps
<rennj> throughput in the end..i dont know stess-ng
<rennj> just some stupid app i learned about...
<rennj> burnin stress test craptop
<rennj> doesnt look like much diff either way
<rennj> haiku vs linux same cpu
<rennj> stress-ng: info: [14715] successful run completed in 2 mins, 0.03 secs
<rennj> stress-ng: info: [68602] successful run completed in 2 mins, 0.04 secs
<Begasus> k, new run with added libraries ...
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<Begasus> not really progress :p fork 250090 120.01 35.27 284.95 2083.84 780.99 33.35 0
<rennj> if haiku does same amount of work with less forks the better
<rennj> really would need to spend time with stess-ng docs..and what those terms mean to test
<Begasus> well, seems to do what it needs to do, so good enough for now
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<rennj> did segfault or coredump..another tool/utility
<rennj> how useful..meh..
<rennj> gaming is the true stress test
<rennj> helldivers2 drama/sony being crazy for accounts
<rennj> glad im not on steam/gog/xbox/playstation foo...i bailed after doom3/halflife2. i got portal1,2 here still havent started. i bet this craptop play kerbal space program fine in win10 vm
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+4/-4/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/d47be5739e43...06ddfc6c6fe4
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 06ddfc6 - Telegram: bump version
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<Begasus> bugger ... still not enough workspaces :P
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<nosycat> There's never enough desktop space.
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<Begasus> inceased to 12 now :)
<Begasus> Can't win them all :D https://0x0.st/X8sP.png
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<nosycat> Good thing you have a big monitor.
<Begasus> only laptop screen (HDMI) monitor not detected :/
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<Begasus> grabbing skanlite24-24.04.80-1-x86_64.hpkg and moving it to /Opslag/haikuports/packages/skanlite24-24.04.80-1-x86_64.hpkg (packaged) :)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/06ddfc6c6fe4...20579afd8b00
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 20579af - Furnace: bump version, enable recipe
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<Begasus> now if I could have half of the skills there ;)
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<rennj> 9 horizonal desktops with edge scroll on mouse
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<rennj> multimonitor is for dashboards
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<PetePete> Yo
<PetePete> This dang weather applet... days are off by one
<PetePete> fooey
<nosycat> Hello!
<nosycat> They are? I'll have to check.
<PetePete> Haiku sees my Netis usb wifi adapter. Not even all Linux distros see it
<PetePete> That's pretty cool
<nosycat> Good to know!
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<PetePete> I have to switch laptops. This one is dangerously hot
<PetePete> I swear it's about to melt the plastic
<nosycat> :O
<Begasus> take some ice caps? ;)
<PetePete> nosycat, about the weather... the weather seems correct, but it calls Monday Sunday
<Begasus> still fine here
<PetePete> I don't think I can use this spare for anything but testing boot drives and maybe copying some files. Holy moly, the air coming out of the vent burns my skin
<Begasus> well, not the weather itself :P
<PetePete> Begasus Ypou don't have the weather app bug?
<Begasus> nope, shows the right day here
<nosycat> PetePete, sounds like it displays the week US style, Sunday first.
<PetePete> I remember someone saying it had to do with where it read the info from, so perhaps it's not the weather app but whatever feeds it
<PetePete> nosycat perhaps... I wonder why it has the temps and actual weather off by one day then...
<nosycat> Weird.
<nosycat> As for laptops, it's a crapshoot with any free OS.
<Begasus> Kweather is off here too :)
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<bjorkintosh> nosycat, why's that?
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<PetePete> I'll be back sometime when I can find a less hot laptop
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<nosycat> bjorkintosh, for example you can try Haiku on two laptops where it runs perfectly out of the box, and on the third even the kernel won't finish loading.
<bjorkintosh> hmm. driver issues then?
<nosycat> Be right back.
<Begasus> https://0x0.st/X8zx.png WebPositive going nuts?
<nosycat> Probably!
<Begasus> k, reboot, need to get some ram back ...
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<Begasus> better :) also switched to dark theme
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<Begasus> Konqueror doesn't seem to remember FB credentials :P
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<Begasus> closing down here, cu peeps!
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<coolcoder613_32> Good morning
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<PetePete> alright! got me a good'n!
<PetePete> i3, big 17" screen. Full keyboard. Intel graphics
<PetePete> great touchpad
<PetePete> this will be my new haiku macheeeeen!
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<PetePete> What's the equivalent to "free -m" in terminal?
<PetePete> vmstat
<mmu_man> sysinfo
<mmu_man> if memory serves
<PetePete> that's a nice command too
<PetePete> "How do I have a look at system info?"
<PetePete> "..uhh... sysinfo"
<PetePete> "Oh."
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<PetePete> Is there an archiver? I see Expand for untaring etc..
<PetePete> Was looking for a gui for taring
<mmu_man> Expand-O-Matic
<mmu_man> right clic, there's a shortcut in the context menu in Tracker
<mmu_man> there's a GUI to make zips, because zip handles attributes properly unlike tar