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<bjorkintosh> we're not that cool.
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<PetePete> Astros getting killed. heh
<PetePete> Is Gimp still broken? I mean, it seems to have conflicts with cairo, Is that expected?
<augiedoggie> you're probably better off using krita
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<coolcoder613> Hi PetePete
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<PetePete> hey coolcoder613
<PetePete> lotta cool stuff on Haiku
<PetePete> I'm installing a VoIP client, a 3D atlas globe thingy, a dictionary, and a bible app
<coolcoder613_32> I have thsi USB A to USB A cable, what could it be for?
<coolcoder613_32> *this
<coolcoder613> I got it in the box with a raspberry pi arcade, along with an extra HDMI cable
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<coolcoder613> What i'm *really* looking for is a null modem cable
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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<Begasus> Looks like the matrix bridge is down :)
<Begasus[m]> ah no, we're back :)
<Begasus> bias
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<coolcoder613_32> Hi Begasus[m]
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/052f115c25d6...7f4c5dbea0a8
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 7f4c5db - featherpad, bump version (#10428)
<Begasus> Hi coolcoder613_32
<Begasus> afk
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/7f4c5dbea0a8...5ebafc4eb3c3
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 5ebafc4 - gloox 1.0.28
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<PulkoMandy> well, hello from Renga :D
* phschafft waves back.
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* Begasus waves back too
<Begasus> Renga and matrix bridge PulkoMandy?
<PulkoMandy> No Matrix here, it's XMPP
<Begasus> ah! nice too! :)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/5ebafc4eb3c3...e67748a30cd0
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus e67748a - libksieve, new recipe (#10429)
<zard> Maybe someday I'll set up XMPP or Matrix. I like the idea of having a chat history
<zard> Vision doesn't support botifico's colors? Could be improved...
<Begasus> patches welcome? <ducks>
* zard pretends to be busy ;-) (Well, actually, I am :P)
<PulkoMandy> pretty sure Vision does support colors, but there may be a setting to disable them
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<Begasus> I'm seeing at least 5 colors here in Vision ;)
<Begasus> Hi Anarchos
<Anarchos> hello Begasus
<zard> But botifico's messages look more colerful in the terminal
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<zard> I should get a screenshot some time...
<zard> I think it had a red "[haikuports/haikuports]", a different color for "Begasus" and a different color for the commit message
<Begasus> I think those only work in nightlies also in Terminal?
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<PulkoMandy> not sure what you mean, the colors have been there forever in the bot, and also supported in pretty much all IRC clients and in Termina
<scanty> they work in xchat
<scanty> earm, hexchat
<scanty> sorry, off to work, just caught that real quick, see you guys later
<Begasus> cya
<Begasus> nvm, thought it was about that newish package for Terminal colors :)
<PulkoMandy> so I don't see why they wouldn't work... unless something is filtering them (either client side, but I don't see anything that could do that, or server side if you have some IRC modes set maybe)
<zard> Strange... I'm certainly not on the latest version of Haiku, but it seems that feature was added a while ago
<Begasus> mine are working fine here (adjusted colors when switching to darker theme though)
<zard> My version of Vision even has settings for mIRC colors. May as well update Haiku, and see if the bug is still around
<PulkoMandy> maybe you have all the colors set to black in Vision settings?
<zard> No. All the colors of the rainbow there ;-)
* zard starts updating Haiku
<PriyanshuGupta[m]> PulkoMandy: i have put a patch regarding block cache rn I just want suggestions on it as of now whether I'm going in the right direction. i have done more work on it and mainly i have taken reference from bfs. I'll upload it after my examination so can you take a look at it :)
<zard> rebooting
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<zard> K, now I just need someone to make a commit :)
<PulkoMandy> PriyanshuGupta[m]: change 7628 on Gerrit from 22 of april? Or do you have something new? (just so that I review the right thing)
<PriyanshuGupta[m]> i have but I'm busy so can't update it right now
<PriyanshuGupta[m]> okay I'll pin you once i update a new patch
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/e67748a30cd0...63af5252a9e7
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 63af525 - gloox: make dns.h public
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<Begasus> at your service zard :P
<zard> No luck :/ https://0x0.st/X8BS.png
<zard> afk
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<Begasus> Looks ok to me
<PulkoMandy> Well the colors are missing
<PulkoMandy> So maybe something is broken in Vision
<Begasus> k, maybe because I'm still on beta, colors look the same here
<zard> re
<zard> Also on beta
<Begasus> building fresh image to check ...
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<PulkoMandy> "haikuports/haikuports" should be blue, comitter name should be red, commit sha1 and branch name should be green, and URL should be pink
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<Begasus> I only see the commit in red when my name is involved, other then that ...
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<HaikuUser> Now if someone could make a commit :) so far things look the same
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<zard> Maybe this is colored?
<zard> Wait, it worked?...
<zard> Press ctrl-c and then type a number from 0-15. Text after that will be colored (https://modern.ircdocs.horse/formatting.html#colors)
<Begas_VM> 
<Begas_VM>
<Begasus> nothing pops up/shows :P
<zard> Red, orange, etc.
<Begas_VM>
<Begas_VM> nope
<PulkoMandy> works here :)
<zard> How it should look: https://0x0.st/X8Bv.png
<Begas_VM> hrev57728 atm
<PulkoMandy> it's more likely a bug in Vision itself than in Haiku
<zard> But I messaged myself a color code and it didn't work. Perhaps this version of Vision only displays it for the sender.
<Begas_VM> colors
<PulkoMandy> possibly no one noticed because colors aren't that important
<Begas_VM> colors 3 colos
<Begas_VM> colors 3 colors
<Begas_VM> colors
<Begas_VM> ah! shows now
<zard> But none of your messages are colored for me :P
<Begas_VM> ctrl-c number "colors"
<zard> Looks like vision only shows colors for the sender but not for the recipient
<Begas_VM> colors hello
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<Begasus> err, neither do they here, in the fresh image it shows
<Begasus>  10 peep
<Begas_VM> that doesn't work on the beta nor here :P
<Begasus>  10 colors peep
<Begas_VM> oh well, 'nough testing, that's for the experts :)
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<Anarchos> Begas_VM blog post created and pull request on website created.
<zard> Anarchos: looks like the body of your blog post didn't get uploaded
<Anarchos> zard oh ?
<Anarchos> zard it seems i pushed the wrong blog post..;
<Anarchos> zard thanks for the issue
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/63af5252a9e7...2b1f0fc0f3cf
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 2b1f0fc - Renga 1.26
<botifico> [haiku/website] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/e94fa8f6a12a...6f6e9c8240e2
<botifico> [haiku/website] Zardshard 6f6e9c8 - Post GSoC 2024 introductory blog post
<Anarchos> zard corrected :)
<Anarchos> zard not sure about all the markdown syntax, and i wrote it really too fast in vim...
<Begasus> bbl
<augiedoggie> zard: did you turn off the "Strip colors" option?
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<zard> No. That must be it. Testing...
<zard> Looks like it works (messaged myself a colored message. Shows up as colored now)
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57729] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=ddbb99295601+%5E0ec6e1ceb804
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] ddbb99295601 - file_systems/QueryParser.h: Fix -Werror=maybe-uninitialized
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<zard> Colors are now there. A bit too bright, though, if you ask me
<phschafft> that lists the correct values.
<augiedoggie> vision allows you to customize them
<zard> There, that's better
<phschafft> let me rephrase:
<phschafft> that lists the correct default values.
<phschafft> ;)
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<N516[m]> test
<nosycat> Hello!
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<N516[m]> hiiiii
<nosycat> o/
<Begasus> jow
<Begasus> kdepim-addons working :) https://0x0.st/X8ua.5.png (but not Kontact aside from already working Agregator) :P
<Begasus> just discovered I can send feeds in Konqueror to Agregator
<Begasus> doesn't work in Falkon
<N516[m]> konqueror is on haiku?
<nosycat> Yes!
<Begasus> no! :)
<Begasus> not stable enough, and dolphin plugins don't work
<Begasus> well .. :)
<Begasus> could be that with konqueror on gear23 and dolphin on gear24 could have anything to do with that
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<N516[m]> i wonder what happened to the firefox port
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<Begasus> no news there so far
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<zard> I suspect it's a very hard project and so progress is probably slow. Best of luck to KENZ though
<erysdren> aye
<N516[m]> so annoying that year posted isnt easy to see on the forum
<Begasus> whoot! https://0x0.st/X8uJ.5.png
<nosycat> That's a lot of files!
<zard> Konqueror going to conquer Tracker as well? :P
<zard> May as well rename it Konqueror OS now :P
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<LjL[m]> That looks native :o
<N516[m]> ?
<N516[m]> whats there to look at
<N516[m]> what are we lookinf at
<erysdren> Begasus is using Konqueror as the file browser there
<erysdren> instead of Tracker
<nosycat> Qt for Haiku is a remarkable port. It really does look native.
<erysdren> agreed
<Begasus> seems the plugins from dolphin needed to be on the same gear :)
<N516[m]> N516[m]: thank you, cant see chat history
<Begasus> don't think it ready for prime time with me hacking the source zard :P
<zard> N516[m]: Here are the logs https://oftc.irclog.whitequark.org/haiku/
<N516[m]> zard: thank you
<Begasus> it's mentioned in the channel topic (logs) :)
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<Begasus> food ...
<nosycat> Enjoy!
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<Begasus> done :)
<Begasus> konqueror not supported for the forum :P
<scofi> why night builds not support secure http in web positive browser?
<scofi> and why no g++?
<Begasus> err .. should work
<zard> scofi: might be able to get g++ by running `pkgman install haiku_devel`
<Begasus> eh, seems it's not installed on the self build image (gcc)
<Begasus> pkgman install cmd:g++ ?
<zard> Ah, keep forgetting that you can do that :)
<Begasus> opening WebPositive there just uses https also
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* Begasus thinks texstudio is broken also due to the qt6* update ...
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/2b1f0fc0f3cf...2a558b4ee666
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 2a558b4 - texstudio, revbump for Qt6.7 (#10430)
<Begasus> closing down for today, cu peeps!
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<scofi> one more question - why no stable support for ntfs here?
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<Dio9sys[m]> as Haiku is meant to be compatible with BeOS, BeFS was a priority, and then ext filesystems as they're a popular option in open source operating systems. I am not a dev/I do not contribute to filesystem parts of Haiku but my guess is that NTFS just hasn't been a priority
<scofi> My view is that Haiku incorrectly works with external volumes.
<scofi> A mirror for example.
<phschafft> also keep in mind that NTFS was very closed and restricted for a long time.
<N516[m]> does anyone actually use the Be software?
<N516[m]> haiku is constantly being linked to BeOS
<phschafft> this changed that lot. but it may still be in the back of the head when evaluating priorities.
<N516[m]> but its a completely different and far more evolved OS then BeOS ever was
<phschafft> nephele and I had a discussion on that recently.
<phschafft> -- as I understand it -- his opinion is that there are two types of people in the Haiku community.
<phschafft> the first type basically understand Haiku as a alternative version of BeOS. objecting anything that is not 'as BeOS did it'.
<phschafft> and the second type just wants to get Haiku forward, open to every change that is an improvement.
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<Dio9sys[m]> <N516[m]> "haiku is constantly being linked..." <- 32 bit builds are still totally binary compatible as I'm aware, and that's always going to be a niche that is popular with retro computing enthusiasts. Maybe it's not used every day, but someone out there will breathe a sigh of relief when they realize they can run their old stuff. Similar to how I don't really *need* to be running OS/2 on one of my laptops, but it sure is neat when I run
<Dio9sys[m]> into an OS/2 program that I can run
<PulkoMandy> scofi: If you build haiku yourself, you have to use a profile where openssl is enabled, somehow it is still optional. You can either use the release profile (jam @release-anyboot) or customise things using build/jam/UserBuildConfig
<N516[m]> <Dio9sys[m]> "32 bit builds are still totally..." <- 32 bit builds are still totally binary compatible as I'm aware, and that's always going to be a niche that is popular with retro computing enthusiasts. Maybe it's not used every day, but someone out there will breathe a sigh of relief when they realize they can run their old stuff. Similar to how I don't really *need* to be running OS/2 on one of my laptops, but it sure is neat when I run
<N516[m]> into an OS/2 program that I can run
<N516[m]> i just hope that it wont be a strain on future development to keep the beos spirit
<PulkoMandy> There's a difference between keeping the spirit and keeping the compatibiliy
<PulkoMandy> Especially as BeOS spirit was essentially "what if we built an OS from the ground up to cut away all the legacy technicnl debt?"
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<PetePete> Any way to mount ssh directory for use in file managers that do not support that connectivity?
<PetePete> I currently use Kommander for moving files to and from sftp folders but would also like to use SpaceFM
<PetePete> Sorry... MC (Midnight Commander, as it were)
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<PetePete> Another dumb question... I was under the impression that Haiku did not run well in a VM. Is that still true?
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<phschafft> PetePete: and now it feels a bit like Haiku is hold back in the past more than other systems. ;)
<augiedoggie> virtualbox doesn't behave well with haiku
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<PetePete> augiedoggie even if you lower the cpus to only one?
<augiedoggie> sshfs works well and midnight commander should be fine
<augiedoggie> on one cpu it's fine usually
<PetePete> cpu cores* (in virtualbox settings)
<augiedoggie> i tested the midnight command sftp link the other day when updating the libssh2 package
<augiedoggie> commander*
<PetePete> augiedoggie Sorry, my question was malformed. I currently use ssh in mc to browse remote directories. Was wondering if there was a system-wide way of mounting those directories so I could browse theem in SpaceFM for example
<augiedoggie> sshfs
<augiedoggie> works better with key authentication
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<PetePete> I tried to install sshfs but no package? Am I missing something?
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<PetePete> oops
<PetePete> just saw your link
<PetePete> oh my gosh... it's already installed...
<augiedoggie> the instructions there are different from what i use