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<bluetail>
At what stage of development do we have access to XFree86 Modeline? You know, the thing you need to use a custom resolution.
<bluetail>
Fun fact - I still use them even in 2022. Specifically I had to use it to reduce blanking.. on a x86 system in order to make my gpu not run fullspeed memclock, but able to clock down...
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<jannau>
maybe never. we will communicate with the dcp firmware which offers a number of modes for the display
<jannau>
there is probably an interface to use custom modes but if I saw something related I forgot
<jannau>
looking into it is not a priority for the initial dcp/display driver
<alyssa>
why do you want modelines?
<alyssa>
switching resolutions with DRM works, or at least worked when I first spun up DCP
<alyssa>
(I.e. the Displays settings for GNOME, or your sway config)
<jannau>
resolution / refresh rate changing still works
<alyssa>
jannau: :+1:
<alyssa>
i really need to uprev but with only a single m1 device it's too painful
<alyssa>
and if I get an M2 device I'll get stressed about the GPU
<jannau>
I can related, I finally switched to the macbook pro 14" as main device and testing on it is now annoying
<jannau>
I haven't yet looked into dcp on m2 either
<alyssa>
nod
<jannau>
do you have enough storage on the device? you could install the upgrades as new mac os/linux installations
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<alyssa>
which upgrades?
<alyssa>
linux kernel upgrades?
<alyssa>
to this day I chainload over USB :p
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<jannau>
firmware upgrades. you could keep your current setup and add new mac os 12.3 installation. the boot picker is annoyingly slow but works
<alyssa>
ah, sure.
<alyssa>
I don't have that much storage, though
<alyssa>
Maybe I did want the 512gb model after all, if a macos partition with nothing on it is 40gb...
<jannau>
more like 70GB if you want to be able to upgrade mac os
<alyssa>
yeah...
<bluetail>
alyssa modelines had helped me with random flicker on quite a few macintosh systems system I had. It usually is that the 'usual' gpu's memclock sit at around ~ 100MHz-300MHz at their idle clock and when you have a Monitor thats > 60Hz then you get flicker cause the bandwidth is no more given. More Pixelclock usually drives gpu memclock up and less
<bluetail>
fortunately, is flicker like it would on macOS...
<bluetail>
(reduced blanking) down. I still feel weird when I use my M1 mac mini no matter if its macOS or the Asahi Linux implementation. Feels as if Pixelclock is not quite high enough. I could not possibly capture it with a capture card. It's not quite the same but similar as if you would use a 240hz monitor on a 60hz setting. But what it doesn't do
<bluetail>
I had this talk before, but back then I didnt quite knew what was going on. Until I replicated it on a system that does not have the limitations of a macintosh system. And then, the other day I found myself with the solution. As I reduced the blanking, my GPU clocked down to 98Hz and it would flicker similarly but not same a macintosh system would
<bluetail>
do. (Difference being macintosh system would flicker with something from the framebuffer / cache or whatever that is). Anyhow, then forcing the GPU to use the second higher value in idle ~ 300mhz fixed the whole issue. However on my laptop, through a USB c to HDMI adapter, I can feel it's off cause bandwidth doesnt seem to fit. And similar thing
<bluetail>
there but not in the same order. Increase frequency => flicker cause bandwidth is not high enough. Running it at a lower frequency seems to degrade the image quite a bit. But what can I say, these are old TN panels and I'm sensitive to change...
<bluetail>
s/98Hz/98MHz
<bluetail>
idk if my issue is even solvable as I dont know anything about clocks / bandwidth in arm systems... Perhaps these systems should not be 'abused' with those demands.
<lina>
bluetail: no offense, but none of what you are talking about any sense and also extrapolating from Intel systems to Apple Silicon doesn't make sense either.
<lina>
And that also doesn't have anything to do with the GPU, which is what this channel is about...
<bluetail>
lina: So in other words, being able to raise or lower pixelclock (assuming its working the same way), wouldn't affect it the way it does in an intel system. Gotcha.
<lina>
It's completely different hardware from Intel so it doesn't make any sense to think you'd have any of the problems you had on Intel!
<bluetail>
So it is even a different issue. Perhaps I'll never figure what the issue really is. I thought I figured it, felt great. But now everything I had reached is to embarrass myself. Thanks for the scolding, I guess...
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<rkjnsn>
Re custom modeline usecases: I used one on my previous projector, which could happily run at 48 Hz but, but the EDID it fed to computers only advertised 60 Hz. Using a custom 48 Hz modeline allowed for judder-free playback of 24fps content.