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<karolherbst> anyway... todo for tomorrow: CIing rusticl
<zmike> smh no zink support on day 1
<zmike> phoronix comments outraged
<karolherbst> I was actually thinking about that
<karolherbst> but then it might be better to target vulkan directly
<karolherbst> but... in the end does it really matter if I abstract/layer gallium vs vulkan or simply targeting zink?
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<jekstrand> Success! vk_meta has done a clear!
<karolherbst> yay
<jekstrand> dEQP-VK.api.image_clearing.core.clear_color_attachment.*:
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<jekstrand> Passed: 869/1573 (55.2%)
<jekstrand> Failed: 0/1573 (0.0%)
<jekstrand> Not supported: 704/1573 (44.8%)
<jekstrand> Waived: 0/1573 (0.0%)
<jekstrand> Warnings: 0/1573 (0.0%)
<karolherbst> ship it
<jekstrand> depth/stencil all passes too
<jekstrand> \o/
* jekstrand pushes to the MR
<jekstrand> Ok, I think it's time I call it a day.
<karolherbst> I was thinking time already 4 hours ago
<karolherbst> s/time/that/
<jekstrand> Tomorrow I'll get image clears working and then go back to NVK.
<jekstrand> Blits can wait
<jekstrand> They're not that big of a deal
<karolherbst> do you want me to port to the new 3d headers before that or will you just do that then? :D
<jekstrand> If you want to, that's fine. Otherwise, I can.
<jekstrand> I don't care
<karolherbst> okay... then I guess you'll have to as I have some annoying stuff to deal with tomorrow anyway
<karolherbst> I merged the headers in already btw
<jekstrand> Ok, that's fine.
<jekstrand> Assuming I don't get too distracted, I should have basic 3D workingish by EOD tomorrow.
<karolherbst> might have to think how to handle the tex headers though
<karolherbst> *about
<jekstrand> Not sure if I'll have all the dynamic state stuff wired up but meh.
<jekstrand> karolherbst: Why?
<jekstrand> karolherbst: Because the macros are a pain?
<karolherbst> yeah
<jekstrand> Yeah, but that's a separable problem, IMO
<karolherbst> maybe we need a special generator for plain buffer writes... dunno
<jekstrand> They pretty much work so we can swap out the headers at any time without disturbing any of the other code.
<jekstrand> It's all the 3D stuff I hacked up that's a hundred different register sets that need to move around and be changed and are all on the old headers.
<karolherbst> thing is.. the layout of the tex headers is different
<jekstrand> It'll be fun reworking the "init magic" stuff on the real headers and seeing what things are actually named. :D
<karolherbst> anyway.. I'd like to have _something_ so it's easy to use them.. maybe do the same as we do with QMD?
<karolherbst> oh....
<karolherbst> I guess that would just work
<karolherbst> ehh no
<karolherbst> QMD uses that MW(...) stuff, where tex isn't
<karolherbst> jekstrand: yeah
<karolherbst> well... I had the headers under NDA before, so I tried to use that info to point out which of those magic thingies might be important 🙃
<karolherbst> but then it was just the missing shader header
<karolherbst> I think there was nothing too surprising
<zmike> karolherbst: it's less work for me if you want to do vk direct, but it seems like it'd be a lot more work for you to duplicate everything zink already does
<karolherbst> I was actually wondering about how much work it would be for you if I just add an vk extension to accept CL spir-v
<zmike> still would have to add handling for all the extra ops in ntv
<zmike> but otherwise... maybe not much?
<karolherbst> I just give you the spir-v directly :P
<zmike> ahh
<zmike> yeah that would be nice
<karolherbst> and let the vulkan driver do all the lowering
<karolherbst> (which we could share)
<zmike> maybe the only other difference then would be descriptor limits
<zmike> but that's not going to be (as) much work after my latest wip merges
<karolherbst> we need to be able to retrieve buffer addresses somehow
<zmike> vk has bda
<karolherbst> and deal with user buffers (uhgghghuhg)
<zmike> you can add a gallium hook
<karolherbst> so CL user buffers are stupid
<karolherbst> you don't have to follow any rules and all user buffers has to be accepted for evertyhing
<zmike> user buffers can be supported already I think but I haven't hooked it up
<karolherbst> you think that, but no
<karolherbst> you can't fail accepting any user buffer
<karolherbst> alignment? doesn't matter, you have to accept it
<zmike> 😬
<karolherbst> yeah...
<karolherbst> so what I am doing in rusticl is to try to allocate it, if the driver fails, fall back to shadow buffering
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<karolherbst> soooo.. maybe that's good enough
<zmike> probably
<karolherbst> but besides that? I doubt there is anything special
<zmike> so then yeah maybe just descriptors
<karolherbst> set_global_binding is really the only CL specific thing I am doing
<zmike> 🤔
<karolherbst> and the input buffer will simply be a constbuffer or push constants
<karolherbst> and set_global_binding is really just returning GPU addresses for buffers
<karolherbst> everything else is the same as with GL
<zmike> I haven't looked at any of this and probably won't until you tell me it's happening tbh
<karolherbst> well... we need more samplers/textures
<karolherbst> CL requires 128 textures
<karolherbst> and 32 samplers
<zmike> yeah that's the descriptor thing
<karolherbst> anyway... rusticl on iris passes CL 3.0 conformance, sooo.....
<karolherbst> anyway.. the idea is to have a user const buffer, which has to comply to the OpenCL ABI and then you get a new vk API consuming CL spir-v, which has kernel arguments according to the OpenCL ABI
<karolherbst> and that's all
<karolherbst> not sure if that's a good idea for a general vk extension, but it could be as simple as that
<karolherbst> having to deal with all the kernel arguments through an extension could be annoying
<zmike> no idea what any of that means 😬
<karolherbst> well.. CL kernels have a "main" method with arguments
<karolherbst> and those arguments are stored in a const buffer (most likely)
<karolherbst> and it follows C alignment/padding rules (more or less)
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<karolherbst> + special things like samplers/images/const buffers/etc...
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<karolherbst> so I was wondering if we could simply define that ABI and the vulkan client just puts the data into the correct place to launch that CL spir-v
<zmike> ah
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<zmike> sounds like it could work
<karolherbst> e.g. samplers and images are opaque atm, and stuff
<zmike> gallium ubo0 convention
<karolherbst> yeah
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<karolherbst> at least we could try that and see if that just works or not
<zmike> big thing is probably that extension
<karolherbst> annoying part is DCE though
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<zmike> if it's MESA then whatever but EXT would take a long time to push through
<karolherbst> if I know how the nir looks like, I can DCE kernel args
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<karolherbst> which I am already doing
<karolherbst> and I know applications where I can drop 30 out of 32 kernel args...
<karolherbst> but in the end it's just wasted UBO0 space
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<karolherbst> but maybe I could run a DCE pass on the spir-v.....
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<karolherbst> anyway... I need to sleep :D
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<hakzsam> jekstrand: cwabbott_: pendingchaos: can we make progress on https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/12910 please? It's used by steamos for shaders precompilation, would be awesome to have it main
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<MrCooper> greg904: you'll need to either link or dlopen libOpenGL anyway
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<danvet> mripard, just to make sure they don't get lost, still a few patches in drm-misc-fixes it seems
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<linkmauve> Hi radv people, I’ve read that you have support for the ray tracing on GPUs which don’t have any dedicated hardware, but I don’t find any VK_KHR_ray_tracing* extension exposed on my R7 270X, is it still unsupported? Is it possible to support it in the future? Or did I just misconfigure something perhaps?
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<MrCooper> linkmauve: try setting the environment variable RADV_PERFTEST=rt
<linkmauve> Still doesn’t seem to appear in vulkaninfo.
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<FLHerne> linkmauve: looks like you need RADV_PERFTEST=emulate_rt for the non-dedicated case
<MrCooper> yep
<linkmauve> Ah indeed! Where did you find that btw?
<linkmauve> I now have VK_KHR_ray_query and VK_KHR_ray_tracing_maintenance1.
<FLHerne> well, I found it in the MR !16007 because that happened to be in my browser history :p
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<linkmauve> Thanks. :)
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<jani> danvet: tzimmermann: dim rebuild-tip was failing for me with conflicts until I updated my git. did you figure out what the minimal git version was?
<jani> is it because different git versions result in different merge failures and thus rerere does not match?
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<tzimmermann> jani, i don't knwo the minimum version. what do you use ATM?
<tzimmermann> mine says 'git version 2.37.1'
<tzimmermann> has that only been a recent problem? i've never heard of such issues before
<danvet> jani, a few weeks back we already had that fun with I think an old ubuntu lts git or something
<danvet> jani, so yeah looks like we have a git merge divegerence issue again
<danvet> I didn't look into git history as to why it might happen
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<jani> tzimmermann: danvet: I updated from 2.30 to 2.34
<jani> basically from debian bullseye (stable) to bullseye-backports
<danvet> hm
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<pal1000> @dcbaker, can you please look at https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/17886. I also want to nominate https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/17889 for 22.2 backport.
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<danvet> javierm, melissawen since I've seen a few patches fly by and there seems to be more ... María Canal for drm-misc commit rights?
<danvet> pinchartl, are you also pushing the s/cma/dma patch set? or is tzimmermann going to do that?
<javierm> danvet: sounds good to me
<pinchartl> danvet: I thought tzimmermann was handling it
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<tzimmermann> pinchart, danvet, i won't have time
<tzimmermann> pinchartl ^
<danvet> pinchartl, I guess it's up to you then :-)
<pinchartl> I still need to setup dim :-)
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<melissawen> danvet, it makes sense. mairacanal[m] ^ what do you think?
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<tleydxdy> is there a way to let mesa skip submitting to hardware? so I can look at the time spent on cpu side
<HdkR> That ends up being a driver specific thing. So you need to look at driver specific options
<tleydxdy> so which layer should I look at?
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<karolherbst> tleydxdy: if it's only about time spent on the CPU side you might get good enough results just CPU profiling and looking at where the CPU spends most time at
<zehortigoza> tleydxdy: For example for Intel Vulkan it is: VK_INSTANCE_LAYERS=VK_LAYER_INTEL_nullhw /path/to/my_vulkan_app
<karolherbst> but yeah.. usuall there are driver specific ways
<tleydxdy> zehortigoza: that would skip all the vulkan driver too right?
<dj-death> VK_LAYER_INTEL_nullhw is kind of driver specific ;)
<dj-death> we also have INTEL_NO_HW=1
<tleydxdy> I see, so is there something similar for amdgpu or specifically radv?
<dj-death> which builds all the command buffers and doesn't submit to i915
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<dj-death> but it's not quite right for perf analysis because it turns out i915 does a bunch of work at submission time
<dj-death> VK_LAYER_INTEL_nullhw does the submission but inserts a return as first instruction of the commands
<tleydxdy> yeah I suppose ideally this would be something in the kernel?
<dj-death> or noops all the dispatchs/draws
<dj-death> I don't remember
<tleydxdy> that sounds useful
<dj-death> tleydxdy: we even have a HW bit for that
<dj-death> you could have kernel do it for you I guess
<dj-death> do all the work, just signal the associated fence without submitting
<tleydxdy> yeah, theoretically, but is there something like that right now?
<dj-death> not on i915
* dj-death doesn't know much about amdgpu
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<sravn> danvet, pinchartl, I already pushed the s/CMA/DMA patchset to drm-misc, so this should be good
<sravn> danvet, it was last week when you recovered from writing 2xblogs about locking
<pinchartl> sravn: thank you !
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<danvet> sravn, well last week I was out totally
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<danvet> sravn, and thx a lot
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<jekstrand> hakzsam: Oof, yeah, we should move forward on that.
<pal1000> I also want to nominate https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/17889 for 22.2 backport.
<hakzsam> jekstrand: cool, thanks
<HdkR> -rc3 today?
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<alyssa> dcbaker: Can you take a look at https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/issues/7025 ?
<alyssa> panfrost is completely hosed in 22.1.5, apparently :(
<alyssa> just need to drop a patch that was mistakenly cc'd to stable
<alyssa> my bad :(
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<danvet> MrCooper, are you on top of the big endian discussions on dri-devel?
<danvet> I think you're the most qualified to review&merge these ...
<danvet> I pretty much gave up on anything that's not le :-)
<MrCooper> mostly same here tbh :)
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<danvet> I promise I'll run away from it faster than you :-P
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<MrCooper> assuming you mean the "drm: Endianness fixes" series, Geert promised a revision which I haven't seen
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<MrCooper> I think Gerd Hoffmann was the last to touch that code
<MrCooper> that's for patch 1, looks like Noralf applied 2 & 3
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<lygstate> jenatali: Microsoft farm down again?
<jenatali> There were problems yesterday, it should be fine now. That job was created yesterday
<jenatali> It's also a little unfortunate that they decided to call it the "Microsoft farm," we don't host or maintain the servers, we just provided the license keys
<lygstate> Oh, sorry, I mis-read it
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<dcbaker> pal1000: I just pushed that patch to the staging branch :/
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<macromorgan> are there any good existing drivers I can look at for a DSI panel where the init sequence is sent via SPI?
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<linkmauve> jenatali, re https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/16286, is it planned to make that available also on Windows proper, instead of just WSL?
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<jenatali> linkmauve: At this time there's no Mesa frontends that can do video on Windows. But if there were, then sure
<jenatali> Any particular reason you're asking? :)
<linkmauve> Some GTK people were wondering the best way to do (hardware) video decoding and pass the buffers as textures in OpenGL.
<daniels> jenatali: yeah, should be s/MICROSOFT/WINDOWS/
<jenatali> linkmauve: Yeah on Windows you're looking for either DXVA, media foundation, or vendor-specific APIs I think for video decode - or something else that sits on top of one of those
<jenatali> Then probably the GL external objects extension for getting it into GL
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<pal1000> dcbaker: Don't you think this is a bit early for 22.2.0 stablle. We are a week early and there was no rc2 and rc3. I also wished to get https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/17926 in so MSYS2 won't have new out of tree patches.
<dcbaker> pal1000: it's a bug in my script, it's going to be -rc2
<dcbaker> I thought I stopped it before it pushed the 22.2.0 tag :/
<dcbaker> s/tag/commit
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<gawin> dcbaker: btw if I see correctly script has problem picking "Cc: mesa-stable"
<gawin> ah, 22.1.6 is hand picked, by bad
<gawin> *my bad
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<macromorgan> so if I have a panel that takes its data from DSI but its commands from SPI, is that a DSI device or an SPI device?
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<kisak> unfortunate timing, I won't be able to bump mesa in my PPA until next week.
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<alyssa> dcbaker: Also, I notice you cherrypicked an agx commit, I guess because of the Fixes: tag
<alyssa> should I omit Fixes: tags for agx commits (until the driver is "released")? or does it not really make a difference to you?
<alyssa> (What's upstream is stricly for development -- the code does not yet have users, myself included. expect that will change in 1-2 months.)
<alyssa> It's also likely we'll ship GPU support downstream in Asahi Linux, before the kernel pieces have landed (and hence before the Mesa DRM integration has landed for asahi)
<alyssa> In that case, we'd be shipping our own Mesa releases (probably snapshots from main, our kernels are snapshots of linux-next + dwindling set of patchs)
<alyssa> ...All of that is to say, nobody will be using the asahi driver on an upstream Mesa *release* for another year, so could save you the backport work if that helps
<airlied> alyssa: I wouldn't bother with fixes if you expect master
<airlied> or main
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<alyssa> airlied: ack. force of habit :)
<dcbaker> alyssa: I just pick whatever is trashed as long as it applies cleanly and passes ci. I can stop picking agx though :)
<alyssa> fair enough :)
<alyssa> Nothing wrong with picking agx just not very pointful yet :)
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<bylaws> Anyone know why the Nvidia 3d docs seem to miss some registers? For example conservative raster enable? (Reposting since I forgot to auth and don't think it went through in IRC side)
<airlied> bylaws: probably have to ask nvidia the whys
<Ristovski> Hmm, is INTEL_performance_query not implemented in crocus? The extension is not present on HSW for me
<Ristovski> GL_AMD_performance_monitor however is there
<alyssa> plot twist: HSW is an AMD GPU after all
<Ristovski> but then GALLIUM_HUD=help clearly shows counters, I am confuse
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<airlied> Ristovski: probably missing some bits
<Ristovski> Some of them segfault :^) do I keep my sanity or debug this
<airlied> it's probably just missing some hooks or init
<airlied> Ristovski: crocus-fix-perf-count might have a fix in my tree
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<Ristovski> airlied: I shall take a look, cheers
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