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<Ristovski> clever: interesting stuff, thanks
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<lina> DavidHeidelberg[m]: Added the r-b lines to the commit!
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<Mis012[m]> Ristovski: >mesa does seem to have EGL_ANDROID_presentation_time, hmm
<Mis012[m]> both `eglinfo | grep EGL_ANDROID_presentation_time` and `LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=true eglinfo | grep EGL_ANDROID_presentation_time` come up empty
<Mis012[m]> and Mesa being Mesa I can't find it in source
<Mis012[m]> <pre>(gdb) p (void *)eglGetProcAddress(&quot;eglPresentationTimeANDROID&quot;)
<Mis012[m]> $25 = (void *) <font color="#12488B">0x0</font>
<Mis012[m]> </pre>
<Mis012[m]> epoxy_eglPresentationTimeANDROID exists, but idk if I trust it
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<Ristovski> hmmm
<HdkR> I don't see any indication that Mesa supports this extension
<Ristovski> oh wait you are right, it indeed doesnt implement it
<HdkR> Mis012[m]: Freedreno is GL 4.5 now if you have a6xx btw
<Mis012[m]> nice, don't think I do though
<Mis012[m]> a306 and some a5xx iirc
<HdkR> Not sure where those are at
<Mis012[m]> > I don&apos;t see any indication that Mesa supports this extension
<Mis012[m]> hopefully I can noop it
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<Mis012[m]> *hopefully I can noop it
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<DavidHeidelberg[m]> Mis012: maybe EGL_EGLEXT_PROTOTYPES is not enabled or something like that ?
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<Mis012[m]> David Heidelberg: prototypes are not a link time issue
<Mis012[m]> I can hopefully make a noop for it
<Mis012[m]> bylaws: does android use Mesa for EGL in some rare cases of sanity?
<Mis012[m]> I think atom tablets even shipped with it
<Mis012[m]> I'm also unware of any shipping x86 android devices in 2022 :P
<Mis012[m]> is that extension recent?
<Mis012[m]> does Mesa not implement EGL on android?
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<Mis012[m]> my implementation of Android currently uses system EGL, seems to work fine except for wayland boycotting pbuffers
<Mis012[m]> I guess I do wrap stuff :P
<Mis012[m]> bylaws: I have this for OpenXR
<Mis012[m]> I assume Vulkan will be a similar deal?
<Mis012[m]> and yes, I did get an example Oculus app running with Monado :P
<Mis012[m]> sadly beatsaber still using legacy crap and not OpenXR
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<Mis012[m]> bylaws: honestly I think nooping that is just fine :P
<Mis012[m]> and it's an EGL extension, so clearly a non-noop implementation should go in Mesa :P
<Mis012[m]> first time someone asks for it :P
<Mis012[m]> usually I just try to nonchalantly mention it :P
<Mis012[m]> well, it's clean
<Mis012[m]> as opposed to running a glorified VM
<Mis012[m]> where 99% of the android code you're running is not the target app
<Mis012[m]> well, games are easy :P
<Mis012[m]> but I do have some UI stuff implementied
<Mis012[m]> s/implementied/implemented/
<Mis012[m]> that's sad
<Mis012[m]> https://gitlab.com/Mis012/dalvik_standalone has stuff that supports running on non-android systems for whatever reason
<Mis012[m]> I mean...
<Mis012[m]> I am the framework :P
<Mis012[m]> I will sooner patch art than let those apps win
<Mis012[m]> fwiw can also patch them somewhat easily
<Mis012[m]> SmashHit wants to checksum it's apk, but it ask ME for the path to it :P
<Mis012[m]> bylaws: isn't google slowly getting rid of apps' ability to touch non-ABI interfaces :P
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<Mis012[m]> bylaws: bank apps that I tried to use on real android already complained about my google play services not being known malware (should e-mail them asking what they have against MicroG)
<Mis012[m]> it's funny how anti-malware shit literally kills the app when your GSF doesn't match the signature of known malware
<Mis012[m]> fwiw that framework can't possibly be GDPR compliant, no matter what they say
<Mis012[m]> their own materials suggest otherwise
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<DavidHeidelberg[m]> Mis012: yeah, the vendor lock-in is pretty strong :P Interesting project you are workin on, currently most of the development is in more virtualizing the environment, but why not try both approaches :)
<Mis012[m]> virtualizing the environment is 🤡
<Mis012[m]> just commit to it and run a VM at that point
<Mis012[m]> if you don't own the device so no EL2, great now you have an incentive to do something about it
<DavidHeidelberg[m]> tell me more :) just dropped one VM and from 2G memory usage I got to 40M. I think our world waste too much of everything.
<Mis012[m]> I think you'll like my approach then :P
<Mis012[m]> "we comply with GDPR"
<Mis012[m]> "here is a dashboard of suspicious apps installed on your users' phones"
<DavidHeidelberg[m]> Mis012: but I'm realist. Depends on the project. This is huge... WINE like thing.
<Mis012[m]> which is why it's a superior approach
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<DavidHeidelberg[m]> Do you recall Longene? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longene
<Mis012[m]> would be weird if the easier approach was the better one :P
<Mis012[m]> DavidHeidelberg[m]: that's not clean at all
<DavidHeidelberg[m]> Mis012: depends on how many developers you can find :)
<Mis012[m]> >that's not clean at all
<Mis012[m]> I mean... that shit belongs in userspace
<Mis012[m]> bylaws: not allowing them on Play would be enough
<Mis012[m]> bylaws: not sure I'd want to run such app on my device anyway
<DavidHeidelberg[m]> bylaws: thanks god for the Linux ecosystem, where we can use debuggers and stuff :)
<DavidHeidelberg[m]> and where most of the SW is FOSS
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<Mis012[m]> that's a big part of it :P
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<DavidHeidelberg[m]> zf: Hey! Do you have idea how could I improve this part of piglit d3d9 testing? https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/piglit/-/merge_requests/750#note_1698187
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