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<kisak>
So that there's no surprises, I probably should mention that it's likely that I won't be able to do a full build of mesa with my PPA and the next release branch. In particular, anything using rust is at risk of having an unserviceable toolchain - rusticl, NVK. The repeated choices to rice the requirements makes it hard to deal with in LTS builds of Ubuntu.
<kisak>
mareko: regarding newer LLVM to support radeonsi, I can't bump past LLVM 15 on Ubuntu 22.04 without wrecking bindgen for rusticl, and there's an LLVM 16+ regression which was fixed in libstdc++ that isn't going to get backported to gcc in Ubuntu older than 24.04. I intend to use llvm 17 to start out the build with Ubuntu 24.04.
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<kisak>
With the mess, it's likely I'll be forced to chose between partially or entirely dropping things that use rust in mesa or leave all the older Ubuntu LTS releases behind.
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<kisak>
It is frustrating that most of mesa's toolchain is "if you have libstdc++17, you're good to go". But when it comes to rust, if your toolchain older than 6 months or something, you're at risk of losing support immediately. This is not nice for what many people should consider a core project in the larger ecosystem.
<kisak>
err ... s/libstdc++17/stdc++17/
<kisak>
okay, mini-vent over. Carry on being excellent.
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<Company>
kisak: I expect the whole desktop space to pivot that way - if your distro is older than 6 months, recent code won't run. There just aren't enough people who want to make sure that stuff works with older dependencies, with very few exceptions of high profile interfaces
<Company>
so I doubt the whole idea of shipping recent Mesa/desktop anything for LTS distros is gonna work
<Company>
I'm saying that because GTK 4.14 has a new renderer that more or less needs various bugfixes in Mesa 24.0 which probably means that if you try to use it on 22.04 or RHEL9 things won't work well
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<DemiMarie>
Company: How does RHEL do hardware enablement updates?
<DemiMarie>
Also, can Mesa be built with static LLVM, libstdc++, etc?
<DemiMarie>
Asking in case Qubes OS needs to backport Mesa for some reason.
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<Company>
I have no idea
<Company>
luckily, I am not involved in RHEL hardware enablemenet
<DemiMarie>
Is the desktop world moving towards rolling releases?
<Company>
I think more towards ~6months - also not sure how much of the "desktop world" that applies to, because there's lots of tiny desktops
<Company>
but Ubuntu and Fedora release in April/October and Gnome right before
<Company>
and people sync things to that
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