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<schmars[m]> Tianling Shen are you interested in NanoPi R5 as well? there's some good minimal uboot and dts in here: https://github.com/inindev/nanopi-r5 - i've used that to boot vanilla fedora
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<TianlingShen[m]> schmars: aha sure ;)
<TianlingShen[m]> It's already landed on our fork
<TianlingShen[m]> Plan to add it to openwrt when kernel 6.1 is ready
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<schmars[m]> cool very nice :)
<schmars[m]> good morning & good night
<TianlingShen[m]> good night~
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<\x> TianlingShen[m]: any idea on upcoming MT7981 devices from ISPs there in china? I wonder if a cheap one will come with USB
<TianlingShen[m]> \x: iirc all of those ISP-custom devices have no USB port currently
<TianlingShen[m]> if you just want a cheap and (relatively) good performance device, that could be a nice choice
<\x> yeah ive been a fan of your community there, I started with openwrt-able devices at like 2018
<\x> started with WR1200JS, then Newifi 3 D2, then R619AC
<\x> I currently have MR7350 and an R619AC deployed in my houuse ;)
<TianlingShen[m]> \x: oh thank you ;)
<\x> TianlingShen[m]: maybe this or next year I'll see MT7981 devices replacing MT7621A ;)
<TianlingShen[m]> \x: Hahaha really? about 2 years ago mtk guys even plan to run wifi7 with mt7621
<\x> lmao imagine the catastrophe
<\x> "wifi7 + mt7621" say that again once robimarko is here it will surely trigger him
<TianlingShen[m]> it's like a legend, long-lasting xD
<\x> as long as gigabit ethernet is relevant itll stay, because at worst you have yourself a managed L2+L3 switch ;)
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<TianlingShen[m]> Yep, and they're just so cheap, now a mt7621 + mt7615 dbdc device only costs about 5.7 dollars
<TianlingShen[m]> Much cheaper than a managed switch ^^
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<TianlingShen[m]> ynezz: looks like buildbot fails to upload kmods feed on snapshot?
<TianlingShen[m]> 5.15.112 is missing here
<Mangix> Is ADSL2+ actually supported with OpenWrt?
<enyc> Mangix: depends on dsl driver I think, afaik is working on Lantiq XRX200 Bt-HHv5a
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<Borromini> Mangix: VDSL should work with Lantiq AFAIK
<Borromini> even vectoring with the right blobs
<Mangix> Great
<enyc> "Line Mode: G.992.5 (ADSL2+)"
<enyc> Borromini: I wonder when vectoring helpful, etc...?
<Borromini> enyc: for higher speeds.
<Borromini> Fritz!Box 7490/7590 e.g. should do vectoring
<Borromini> enyc: vectoring allows for 100 Mbps down. Supervectoring allows up till 300 Mbps down.
<Borromini> Mangix: you looking at switching to an OpenWrt supported DSL modem? what speeds is your plan?
<Borromini> over here we used to have whitelisting, only certain modems and DSL drivers allowed.
<Mangix> Just curious. My uncle has a garbage modem/router combo with horrible wifi range. Wondering if I should replace it.
<Mangix> Some Huawei device
<enyc> Borromini: oh interesting, but then thats' VDSL hrrm What blob needdo to even trythat?
<Borromini> enyc: OpenWrt cannot distribute the Lantiq blobs you need
<Borromini> so you need to extract them yourself from the vendor firmware, or grab them here: https://xdarklight.github.io/lantiq-xdsl-firmware-info/
<enyc> hrrm seems UK/OpenReach don't support it basically.
<enyc> thankyou.
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<Borromini> looks like supervectoring isn't possible (yet) with OpenWrt if you look at the firmware blobs listed
<Borromini> enyc: i would not be surprised if your ISP uses some form of whitelisting like we had in BE here
<Borromini> there's a EU directive that enforces free modem choice in 2024 or sth but you won't be subject to that obviously.
<enyc> Borromini: in UK there isn't generally modem locking etc anyhow
<enyc> Borromini: however, vast majority of lines from all ISPs are provided through "OpenReach" (part of BT, formally General Post Office phones etc).
<enyc> Borromini: seems that OpenReach did limited trials or installs of G.Fast and Vectoring and now all just busy FTTP GPON'ing.
<Mangix> 1.5mbps adsl is painful
<Mangix> Hmmm speed test says 12mbps. Feels slow
<enyc> Mangix: I find limited upload speed is main limiting factor of ADSL for interactive use
<owrt-images-builds> Build [#6](https://buildbot.staging.openwrt.org/images/#/builders/12/builds/6) of `master_ramips/rt288x` completed successfully.
<Borromini> enyc: copper lines are being cut progressively here as well, as fiber gets laid
<Borromini> we switched last July
<enyc> yes, not surprising!
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<f00b4r0> TianlingShen[m]: afaict kmod upload is currently disabled
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<hauke> OpenWrt ships a DSL firmware for VR9 devices which does ADSL and VDSL, but without vectoring
<hauke> for vectoring you have to find a different DSL firmware
<hauke> The AVM FRITZ!Box 7530 is supported by OpenWrt. This device supports also the VDSL 35b profile (super vectoring). The DSL part is also supported by OpenWrt, I assume that the 35b profile also works with OpenWrt.
<hauke> AVM FRITZ!Box 7530 is ipq4019 + VRX518
<enyc> hauke: I wonder how much better/worse 7530 is than using a BT-HomeHub-v5a Lantiq xrx200 etc
<enyc> ... for DSL driver -or- general speed/capability anyhow!
<hauke> it supportes the 35b profile
<rmilecki> hauke: can I ask for your Acked-by for my BCM5301X patches?
<hauke> The vrx518 is the successor of the old VR9
<enyc> hrrm I think thats not supported here, bso intereslteng more general answer r.e. openwrt
<enyc> hauke: talking of of Lantiq, hows' that muddle going for Openwrt 23.05 fork arrangement?
<hauke> rmilecki: I send a mail
<rmilecki> hauke: thanks a lot!
<hauke> rmilecki: anything else missing?
<rmilecki> hauke: nope :)
<rmilecki> all good
<hauke> sorry for the delay
<rmilecki> np
<hauke> enyc: When I find time wthis weekend I will look into the DSA problems on lantiq/xrx200
<enyc> hauke: thankyou =) do ping me here in irc point at relevant master image can try to test when done if thats helpful ....
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<TianlingShen[m]> <f00b4r0> "Tianling Shen: afaict kmod..." <- thanks, CI is failing due to it...
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<djfe> f00b4r0: here's the PR you suggested I could do (last week): https://github.com/openwrt/openwrt/pull/12672
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<djfe> Feedback is welcome (by everyone). The PR disables building devices with 32M RAM and less.
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<ynezz> TianlingShen[m]: thanks for the report, should be fixed, that config option wasnt correctly migrated into monomaster ansible template and thus defaulted to false, I didn't noticed it
<ynezz> would be nice if you could push someting into the master branch soon
<TianlingShen[m]> thank you!
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<f00b4r0> ynezz: did you test netlocks already? Just curious if it works as intended
<f00b4r0> djfe: cool, thanks, I hope this gets noticed before the branch
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<openFuckingWRT> this is why openwrt is a dying project, lede was a disaster
<openFuckingWRT> glory china, fuck the US
<ynezz> openFuckingWRT: mom, is that you?
<openFuckingWRT> get fucked, Ansuel
<Borromini> dwfreed: can you ban this fool please? ^^
<openFuckingWRT> >why is device support so bad
<openFuckingWRT> >everything's qca
<openFuckingWRT> >secboot cannot be turned off, there's definitely no hidden otp bit
<openFuckingWRT> >SEC_CRA
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<stintel> sigh
<f00b4r0> <ynezz> openFuckingWRT: mom, is that you?
<f00b4r0> rofl
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<stintel> looks like someone has the weekend off from the mental institution again
<stintel> any holiday this weekend?
<f00b4r0> long weekend over here
<stintel> ah right, ascension?
<f00b4r0> yup
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<KGB-1> https://tests.reproducible-builds.org/openwrt/openwrt_x86.html has been updated. (100.0% images and 100.0% packages reproducible in our current test framework.)
<Borromini> ty stintel
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<Mangix> stintel: lmao that was weird
<mrkiko> ynezz: :D your anser made me LOL, thanks
<mrkiko> My 2 cents - we might take little bit more seriously the fact to include instructions in commit messages. Not doing so slows down the process of installing openwrt or recoverying, and may lead to mistakes when it's not clear what images we should use.
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<slendi> Hello everyone, I am interested in porting the RT-AC51 to OpenWRT, which has a MediaTek MT7628. How should I get started?
<slendi> I have already extracted all information I could from /proc or /sys for example
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<Ansuel> I join and I see i'm murican ??? LOL????
<Ansuel> hauke ping? ok to branch? seems every problem with packages not compiling due to musl got handled?
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<slendi> Looking at https://downloads.openwrt.org/snapshots/targets/ramips/mt76x8/, there is no target for my router, so I think I need to create those .bin files first. I have extracted the original uImage that came with my router, trouble is getting the information out of it: "dumpimage: failed to verify header of Default Image support"
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<Habbie> slendi, those bin images are the result of the openwrt build process; creating them, then, is the result of you porting openwrt to your router
<KGB-1> https://tests.reproducible-builds.org/openwrt/openwrt_ath79.html has been updated. (98.6% images and 100.0% packages reproducible in our current test framework.)
<slendi> Yes. In the meanwhile, I figured out how to get dumpimage to work, but it seems the kernel has a "data" filetype interestingly enough. Is this correct?
<slendi> I used dumpimage -T kernel -p 0 -o out RT-AC51_3.0.0.4_382_70638-gfb8b78d.trx to extract it
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<slendi> Wait, I am lucky. My kernel is 3.10, which means GPLv2. I should be able to send an e-mail and get the source code of the kernel right?
<dwfreed> linux is GPL regardles of version
<slendi> I do not see any download link so right now I am trying to contact support asking for some sort of download link
<dwfreed> the rt-ac51u is already supported by openwrt
<slendi> I have the one without the `u`
<dwfreed> there is a slightly older gpl dump listed here: https://drivers.eu/Network/ASUS/RT-AC51
<dwfreed> you could try that
<slendi> oh that's good news
<slh> at least asus and netgear tend to have GPL tarballs for anonymous downloading available, doesn't mean they're complete or fully functional, but at least they're there
<slendi> the asus tarball seems to include build instructions as well which is nice
<slendi> Oh no tools/buildroot-gcc463_32bits.tar.bz2 is not present in the souce
<slh> zyxel will hand out the GPL tarball on request (and they'll ask you about the serial number, why you want to have it, yada, yada - cumbersome, but you will get it)
<Ansuel> slh the reason should not be importent so it could be i need to check if you want to spy on me and they should be totally fine about it LOL
<Ansuel> important*
<slh> well, it's annoying, probably intentionally so, but they'll deliver, reasonably quickly
<slendi> I will have to wait for an email from ASUS I guess since I do not have the required files for building the kernel according to the README
<slendi> Anyways, thanks for the help guys! I think I will also have to create a new platform besides just a device, so I will follow the wiki, I'll come back here if I have any further questions
<Ansuel> slh yes at least it doesn't take a year like technicolor GPL sources
<slh> Mangix: all lantiq vr9 devices should still support ADSL2+ (up to 20 MBit/s, but I've never seen actual contracted line speeds above 16 MBit/s) just fine, even with the bother of customs and taxes the bthub5 is still the best option there, followed by a couple AVM Fritz!Box.es - cheaper options exist, but usually with little RAM and/or crap wifi
<slendi> ASUS support works monday -> friday inclusive so yeah at least 2 days I am going to have to wait for a reply... Anyways I will go to sleep now, good night guys!
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<f00b4r0> Ansuel: shouldn't we consider this before branching: https://github.com/openwrt/openwrt/pull/12672
<f00b4r0> hauke: ^
<Ansuel> mhhh i feel it's something we should discuss in a meeting
<Ansuel> we will probably merge and backport
<f00b4r0> i think it would be good to avoid having images for a new release that *will* brick devices
<f00b4r0> in truth this is something that should have been done long ago
<Ansuel> also disabling 8 16 and 32 wouldn't make tiny subtarget useless ?
<f00b4r0> the 8M and 16M devices should be a no brainer
<f00b4r0> there's absolutely no way 8M and 16M device could work
<f00b4r0> Ansuel: the tiny subtarget isn't useless even if entirely source-only
<f00b4r0> it leaves the option for powerusers to try their luck
<Ansuel> also didn't notice this is ram
<Ansuel> LOL
<f00b4r0> yes
<Ansuel> wow....
<f00b4r0> that's why it should really be a no-brainer
<f00b4r0> we've deprecated 32M RAM at 21.02
<f00b4r0> so clearly, it's time to pull the plug.
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<f00b4r0> yes
<f00b4r0> so, again, I really think we need to deal with this before the branch
<f00b4r0> let's not send the wrong idea to careless users
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<f00b4r0> this is also fairly harmless as it simply disables these images on builders, it doesn't actually remove anything from the tree
<Ansuel> can you by chance amend to the 3 commit reference to the wiki ?
<f00b4r0> i don't understand?
<f00b4r0> I'm not the submitter
<Ansuel> Add to the commit message something like Following deprecation notice[1] in 21.02, disable...
<f00b4r0> djfe_ here went through the pain of dealing with that
<Ansuel> at the end of the commit messge ?
<f00b4r0> Ansuel: I'm not the author.
<Ansuel> MH
<Ansuel> !
<f00b4r0> and I don't have edit rights on GH
<f00b4r0> so I'm not sure what you're asking from me :)
<Ansuel> nothing i'm just stupid :D
<Ansuel> anyway totally good point... no brain not to merge!
<f00b4r0> djfe_ came up with the issue here a while ago and I merely suggested he proposes a PR, which he kindly obliged
<f00b4r0> 👍
<f00b4r0> have to admit I'm baffled we were still building for 8M and 16M RAM devices ;P
<Ansuel> same but the real problem is disabling each device
<Ansuel> time consuming :(
<f00b4r0> that's why I'm very thankful for this PR
<f00b4r0> must have been a labor of love
<Ansuel> totally he must have wasted hour checking the wiki
<f00b4r0> we should probably consider scripting this kind of stuff, from ToH at the very least.
<Ansuel> i remember there was an idea with using dts
<Ansuel> and composing a list with that
<Ansuel> or creating a schema and use yaml
<f00b4r0> not all targets use DTS and not all DTSes define RAM though
<Ansuel> and have data for each device from the default package name variant ram and all kind of things
<f00b4r0> there's room for improvement, for sure :)
<Ansuel> anyway things are finally looking good for branch this time for real....
<f00b4r0> ;)
<f00b4r0> anyway, glad to have caught your attention with this, i'm heading off to catch some Zzzs now. ttyl!
<Ansuel> gn!
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<djfe> slh: still waiting for Zyxel to answer my GPL request for the WSM20 (sold as Multy M1)
<djfe> andy who already added support for the device to master lately atleast got the answer, that he will receive an image in Summer or something iirc
<djfe> so yeah, depending on the device it might take them some time to collect the sources and provide them
<slh> grr, 'nice'
<djfe> ^^
<djfe> Ansuel: not sure if the tiny target is useless. My PR is about RAM only.
<djfe> or was RAM part of tiny too, not just low amount of flash?
<Ansuel> yep was confused and tought it was about size
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<djfe> tiny still might make sense for 8M devices and I would honestly keep a tiny target for those. But yeah in the end, this needs to be discussed in a meeting for sure :)
<djfe> oh I was still reading
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<djfe> I'll edit the commit messages now :)
<djfe> "i remember there was an idea with using dts" > that would work for the image size but not ram sadly. Atleast commit messages these days have to contain more than "I added support for device x" that helps for all current devices :)
<djfe> ok I should really read all answers before writing ^^
<slh> at least the 8- and 16 MB RAM devices are pretty much impossible to keep booting (to name the lowest possible achievement)
<djfe> yeah I was stumped as well when I found that one device with 8M of RAM in there ^^
<djfe> It was never added to the ToH
<djfe> Most 16M devices where in the ToH though
<djfe> I edited the commit messages, feel free to merge once Hauke has replied or so ^^
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