20:13 <cuga> Hi, I'm new to this forum. I have some questions about installing a different version of Ubuntu than the "supported" ones that are listed

20:15 <cuga> I recently installed an arm64 port of Ubuntu which worked great under a Parallels VM. Used this: https://ubuntu.com/download/server/arm

20:16 <cuga> That allowed me to install Ubuntu headless (command line) and then install Mate Desktop instead of Ubuntu Desktop.

20:17 <cuga> Worked fine on the VM. Any reason I can't do this using the Ubuntu Asahi installer?

20:20 <cuga> Is it possible to install Ubuntu without the Desktop (headless) using the installer? Then I can update it after it's booted with a custom desktop

20:20 <tobhe[m]> that would also work

20:21 <tobhe[m]> you can use whatever desktop environment you like, but wayland works better than x11

20:21 <cuga> I beliueve Canonical has the Wayland running Mate

20:22 <tobhe[m]> i think i remember an announcement yes

20:22 <tobhe[m]> not technically from canonical but from the ubuntu mate community

20:23 <cuga> So would I use the installer to install just the base Ubuntu without the Desktop?

20:23 <cuga> then update after it's booted?

20:23 <tobhe[m]> the ubuntu asahi installer doesn't offer a minimal option

20:23 <cuga> that's what I'm asking about

20:23 <tobhe[m]> so you will have to remove gnome if you want or just not use it

20:24 <cuga> Yeah, I was hoping not to have to prune out all the gnome stuff

20:24 <tobhe[m]> you can easily change desktop environment in the login window

20:24 <tobhe[m]> it is a little tricky because it's easy ro remove too much

20:25 <cuga> Is it possible to use the installer but with an ISO I supply?

20:25 <tobhe[m]> but i expect there to be a ubuntu-mate meta package that should pull everything you need

20:26 <cuga> my IRC client got disconnected just now so I might not have read anything since

20:26 <cuga> Is it possible to use the installer but with an ISO I supply?

20:26 <cuga> sorry for asking again

20:26 <tobhe[m]> no, sadly not

20:27 <cuga> ok, too bad

20:27 <tobhe[m]> i am planning to add a more minimal iso and server at some point

20:28 <cuga> are the binaries in the asahi install the same as the ones now at: https://ubuntu.com/download/server/arm

20:28 <tobhe[m]> the image is a custom built one, many packages like mesa and kernel are replaced with our modified versions

20:28 <cuga> that branch now seems to work on Silicon hardware, at least in VM

20:29 <tobhe[m]> yeah, because the VM is not actually exposing anything looking like apple silicon

20:29 <tobhe[m]> bare metal is pretty different

20:30 <cuga> Got it

20:30 <cuga> OK, so the Asahi build does not get updates from Canonical and no gcc?

20:30 <tobhe[m]> you can fins our packages here https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-asahi/+archive/ubuntu/ubuntu-asahi

20:30 <cuga> thanks

20:30 <tobhe[m]> well almost all the packages you will use get regular ubuntu updates

20:31 <tobhe[m]> the stuff in the ppa is updated by us

20:31 <tobhe[m]> and usually more bleeding edge than normal ubuntu

20:31 <tobhe[m]> think of it as an overlay that replaces certain parts

20:32 <cuga> I see. That page has a list of packages that need to be custom for the hardware

20:33 <cuga> Would I be able to install other standard arm64 packages from Canonical?

20:33 <tobhe[m]> yes

20:33 <cuga> oh great

20:33 <cuga> Including all the compilers and stuff?

20:34 <tobhe[m]> the only thing canonical won't do is probably sell you a support contract

20:34 <tobhe[m]> but all packages are available

20:34 <cuga> Great

20:35 <cuga> So the only thing is, if I wanted a different Desktop than Gnome I would have to install it, then prune out Gnome and whatever else that came with Ubuntu-Desktop

20:35 <cuga> but it could be done

20:36 <tobhe[m]> yep

20:36 <cuga> Thank you - this has been very helpful

20:37 <tobhe[m]> np!

20:37 <cuga> oh, one more question

20:37 <cuga> I have a M1 Macbook Pro, but I heard it wonlt install on an M3 or higher. Is this correct?

20:39 <tobhe[m]> yes, m1 and m2 only for now

20:39 <cuga> good to know. Does it look hopeful for others in future?