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<slattann> Test MEsg
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<mceier> is it possible for compositors to handle unresponsive clients gracefully (don't close the wayland connection unless user says so) or would that require fundamental wayland libraries redesign ?
<wlb> weston/main: Pekka Paalanen * man: clean up weston.ini mark-up https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/commit/9203910b9a3a man/weston.ini.man
<wlb> weston/main: Pekka Paalanen * man: add section delimiters in weston.ini https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/commit/e1a111e1b72a man/weston.ini.man
<wlb> weston Merge request !829 merged \o/ (man: clean up weston.ini mark-up https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/merge_requests/829)
<kennylevinsen> mceier: unresponsive means that they're not reading from their socket, at which point killing them is the only option. Discussion has been made to increase the buffer size and/or stop sending certain messages when the buffer fills past a certain threshold but nothing has materialized.
<slattann> anyone tried compiling weston recently on Ubuntu21.04 ? when I tried hitting this dependency and could not find the package:
<slattann> Run-time dependency libseat found: NO (tried pkgconfig and cmake)
<slattann> libweston/meson.build:179:1: ERROR: Dependency "libseat" not found, tried pkgconfig and cmake
<kennylevinsen> In those cases the point was also not to give the user a choice as much as just making it less likely that a well-behaved application ends up unresponsive.
<mceier> kennylevinsen: yeah, unresponsive also means they can't read their socket because another process is saturating I/O
<kennylevinsen> slattann: you either need libseat installed or need to disable the libseat launcher. See the list of meson options.
<wlb> weston/main: Dominique Martinet * xwayland: use -displayfd instead of USR1 to signal readiness https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/commit/c2f4201ed2a8 compositor/xwayland.c
<wlb> weston Merge request !792 merged \o/ (xwayland: use -displayfd instead of USR1 to signal readiness https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/merge_requests/792)
<mceier> kennylevinsen: I was wondering if compositors could do anything about it with current design
<kennylevinsen> mceier: how would "saturating I/O" matter for a Unix domain socket?
<slattann> kennylevinsen: how can I disable it since I am not going to use libseat launcher ?
<kennylevinsen> They can't really do anything right now, and the priority is not a user prompt but rather sorting out unfair kills where a client is bombed by high-speed input events and the likes.
<kennylevinsen> slattann: check the meson options file for available options
<mceier> kennylevinsen: well, it somehow matters... when firefox or alacritty (terminal) is dying with message "Gdk-Message: 09:08:12.409: Lost connection to Wayland compositor." due to mouse movement while steam is starting up ;)
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<mceier> while steam or during llvm checkout
<kennylevinsen> The only time I/O would matter is if you're out of memory and swapping, or if a client is doing blocking I/O on its main thread (which it should not do)
<mceier> so compositors can't do anything about it ?
<kennylevinsen> But maybe you're hitting a combination of a bad client + high-speed input (if you have a high resolution mouse)
<kennylevinsen> Not until something comes out of the discussion about this exact issue
<kennylevinsen> I think we have an issue open about it?
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<kennylevinsen> There's a hacky libwayland patch in there
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<wlb> weston/main: Hideyuki Nagase * input: Fix bug in idle inhibition https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/commit/8fb529bc3195 libweston/input.c
<wlb> weston Merge request !830 merged \o/ (input: Fix bug in idle inhibition https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/merge_requests/830)
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<wlb> wayland Issue #288 opened by () Touchpad palm rejection is very poor https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/issues/288
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<wlb> wayland Issue #288 closed \o/ (Touchpad palm rejection is very poor https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/issues/288)
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<wlb> weston Merge request !831 opened by () rdp: Allow disabling RemoteFX codec https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/merge_requests/831
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<wlb> wayland Merge request !228 opened by () src/wayland-util.c: fix build with gcc 4.8 https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/merge_requests/228
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<wlb> wayland Merge request !228 closed (src/wayland-util.c: fix build with gcc 4.8)
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