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04:52 <wlb> wayland-protocols Merge request !196 opened by i509VCB (i509VCB) Draft: Add foreign-toplevel-state protocol https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/196

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10:15 <emersion> ouch, i missed the wayland release yesterday

10:15 <emersion> going to do this today

10:17 <wlb> wayland Issue #369 opened by Pascal Bryner (Veldora) libwayland-server.so.0.21.0 ends in segfault and then somehow shuts down my system. https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/issues/369

10:21 <wlb> wayland Issue #369 closed \o/ (libwayland-server.so.0.21.0 ends in segfault and then somehow shuts down my system. https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/issues/369)

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10:56 <pq> emersion, heh, and no-one apparently complained :-)

10:56 <psykose> i think it should be delayed longer to be more enterprise

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11:32 <zzag> Will we be able to get wayland/wayland!188 still in though?

11:32 <emersion> i haven't had time to review yet sadly

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12:28 <brunothedev> hey guys, is weston and libweston small enough to research on how to make a compositor?

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12:38 <pq> brunothedev, I would tend to say "no". But the same probably applies to any compositor that is not a toy.

12:41 <brunothedev> 130k cloc...

12:42 <daniels> making a compositor is complex: you should use an existing framework, like libweston or wlroots or mutter or ...

12:43 <brunothedev> wlroots doesnt work good with nvidia, this is why i want to write my own

12:43 <daniels> it will be infinitely easier to fix wlroots than to write your own

12:44 <brunothedev> nah i want to write my own using only libwayland-server

12:45 <daniels> yep, and the 130k loc is a good starting point

12:45 <daniels> you can write one which doesn't do anything if you like, but if you want it to work and be useful, then that's about the minimum

12:46 <pq> I guess that's something between a 10k and 200k LoC project, depending on how full-featured it is.

12:54 <brunothedev> pq: ok, so is there a toy wayland compositor... That dont uses libweston or wlroots?

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12:57 <pq> I haven't looked into any that I would know to recommend.

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13:15 <kennylevinsen> brunothedev: I'd recommend forking a compositor library and adding the support you need. There used to be an (unsupported) eglstream fork of wlroots for example

13:15 <brunothedev> kennylevinsen: the problem isnt egl

13:15 <brunothedev> it is probaply something else

13:15 <brunothedev> nvidia 525 btw

13:16 <kennylevinsen> Nowadays you should be able to work with GBM and normal wlroots

13:16 <kennylevinsen> start out by figuring out what doesn't work well with your driver first though

13:18 <kennylevinsen> Otherwise you risk your new compositor having all the same issues - it *is* driver problems after all, so unless you know the secret spell to make the driver happy, the issues will just follow you around. :)

13:18 <brunothedev> kennylevinsen: there is two issues: 1. when the screen starts moving, the colors freak out. 2. when i open a window, the cursor disappears

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13:23 <kennylevinsen> I don't have a GPU with proprietary drivers, so you would have to diagnose it yourself. If you want to write a compositor you'll have to do as much anyway.

13:23 <brunothedev> i dont think it is the drivers, mutter works fine

13:25 <kennylevinsen> if correct usage of the UAPI leads to unexpected behavior when using certain drivers, then it is a driver issue

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17:44 <bl4ckb0ne> anybody ever worked on a wayland loader?

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17:44 <bl4ckb0ne> like check of WAYLAND_DISPLAY is set and load the .so and the relevant function pointers

17:45 <DemiMarie> bl4ckb0ne: why would that be needed?

17:45 <bl4ckb0ne> working on a window toolkit and im aiming for portability

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17:46 <bl4ckb0ne> just a random thought that came to me, i guess i could also just static link wayland-client

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17:54 <jadahl> bl4ckb0ne: both sdl and I think at least recently glfw does that

17:54 <ifreund> firefox too iirc

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18:03 <bl4ckb0ne> good to know!

18:03 <bl4ckb0ne> its a shame that distros dont ship more static libs

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18:17 <kchibisov> bl4ckb0ne: wayland-rs does that since its start, so like for 5 years at least. It was dynamic from the start, because it was ran along side X11 stuff which is also dl-opened.

18:17 <kchibisov> So dlopening system lib is very common in cross platform toolkits, because most of the time it's the only way to go.

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