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<jn>
marcan does like gentoo but he wouldn't push it onto users who just want to get something that quickly works
<jn>
ultimately though, the purpose of the Asahi Linux project won't be bound to any specific distro though. when everything is upstreamed, it will trickle down into Ubuntu, Fedora, Void, etc. (just a little later)
<pugguu>
Ooooo fun
<pugguu>
Ill probs go fedora or ubuntu
<pugguu>
Hmmm maby debian
<j_ey>
Fedora might not, I think they only want to ship 64KB page size kernels
<jn>
we're even seeing some M1 work in the BSDs
<pugguu>
Ooooo
<pugguu>
Bsd
<jn>
j_ey: ah, good point that i missed
<pugguu>
M1 mac mini router anyone.... XD
<pugguu>
Only 699
<pugguu>
Heck apple router there apple just add some more ethernet and less ports to a mac mini and u have apple router
<pugguu>
Only 999
<branon>
that is called airport
<pugguu>
Hmmm airpot 3 then
<branon>
it does look like a mac mini, at least some models
<pugguu>
Its true
<kettenis>
I thought it was RHEL that was hostile to non-server arm64
<pugguu>
Where is the link to the project dealing with bsd on m1 just churious
<jn>
well— some people who are at the intersection of Asahi and BSD do it
<kettenis>
no, I'm hanging out here, collaborating with the other AsahiLinix folks
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<pugguu>
Asahi ftw i just like to keep my self up to date on everything m1 os related
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<kettenis>
Not yet listing Apple M1 as a "supported" platform for OpenBSD as there are some painful device tree binding bumps ahead
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<kettenis>
but I may make some noise about something like a "technology preview" when I've sorted out nvme support in u-boot
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<pugguu>
🍪 have a cookie kettenis for doing somthing i cant do without breaking a monitor or 2
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<sven>
kettenis: i'm trying to reproduce the dwc3 in host mode without doing any more PHY bringup right now. all you did was sent this SPSS command to the i2c chip, correct?
<kettenis>
yes
<sven>
very strange. that doesn't seem to be enough for linux
<kettenis>
I have some hacks in u-boot to trigger that set up a DMA offset for the DART
<kettenis>
and I have a diff to recognise this particular variant of the DesigWare USB3 core
<kettenis>
but otherwise I'm using the standard u-boot dwc3 code
<sven>
weird
<kettenis>
on the openbsd side I just have a dummy driver for the glue node
<sven>
i've added some code to m1n1 to send the command to this i2c chip. let me check if u-boot works with that
<kettenis>
I didn't push the u-boot changes yet
<kettenis>
maybe I should do that now and worry about trying DART bypass later..
<marcan>
j_ey: that's RHEL, not fedora
<marcan>
we had a fedora guy here already very interested :)
<marcan>
jn: ^
<jn>
good to know!
<j_ey>
marcan: ooh, sorry
<marcan>
and yeah, I'm thinking of rewording the website at some point, and we might not even release "Asahi Linux" as a distro under that name
<j_ey>
now I remember, the Eighth_Doctor, or whoever it was that had a variety of nicks :P
<marcan>
yup
<marcan>
what I *really* intended to mean was "I will maintain ALARM PKGBUILDs and a bleeding edge pacman repo for M1 support"
<marcan>
but there's no bias towards Arch other than me signing up to do that if nobody else does
<marcan>
Eighth_Doctor brought up a good idea about co-branding
<marcan>
so it might end up just being "Asahi Arch Linux ARM" or something, and in the end our installer will probably end up letting you pick whatever distro you want among options with decent support
<Glanzmann>
marcan: Thanks. At least I had to ask yesterday in #help how to join the channels. :-)
<marcan>
it's great when one person ruins things for everyone, isn't it :(
<Glanzmann>
Yes, it is a shame. I'm now 28 years in IRC, this is the first spam bot I encoutered.
<jn>
i've seen the supernets spam (what looks like an earlier version of the same message) before... a few years ago?
<jn>
but indeed, the current wave comes after considerable with rather little spam
<ar>
I've been on the old network for more than half of my life
<ar>
the last /disconnect felt kindof sand
<jn>
s/considerable/& time/
<ar>
s/sand/sad/
<marcan>
same
<j_ey>
my nick was there for 15 years, and I was on there for 1-2 years before that, also more than half my life
<pugguu>
Hello
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<Vaughn>
There's always been tons of spam on Freenode. I wish I could say this is new, but it isn't.
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<Vaughn>
To delurk a little bit more... I'd like to make NixOS the first linux distro to run on the M1, but I haven't exactly been paying attention. Probably that's still some time in the future, right? But once the basic network hardware is working, I do absolutely plan to work on that.
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<jannau>
Vaughn: sven is currently working on USB support for the USB-C ports. it works well enough to use an usb device as rootfs. usb networking works too
<jn>
Vaughn: it depends on what your threshold for "run" is. you can get a text-only shell (with just a USB A->C cable), and as jannau says USB host support is getting there
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<Vaughn>
Hum. I'd need to get a USB network device to make that work.
<Vaughn>
And if only USB-A ports work, well, mine is a laptop. It has no USB-A ports.
<sven>
only usb c ports work right now
<Vaughn>
...ah
<j_ey>
Vaughn: USB A on the 'host' side
<Vaughn>
Sounds like I should be paying closer attention, at least.
<sven>
though usb a isn't too hard either. they actually already work in u-boot and openbsd thanks to kettenis' work
<j_ey>
jn was referring to the m1n1 style I believe
<jn>
j_ey: yes indeed. USB terminated in m1n1, for a "serial" shell
<jannau>
a usb network device might not be a bad idea for the laptop's. wired ethernet adapter in the mini should work once pcie works
<kettenis>
basically, as soon as you have working pcie, you have type-A usb and ethernet
<Vaughn>
Once PCIe works I expect wifi to work before long. The wifi chip is an ax200, which already has drivers... assuming they didn't do anything crazy to it.
<Vaughn>
Thunderbolt doesn't work, right?
<j_ey>
it's a broadcom wifi chip on the M1s I think
<sven>
wifi needs a few small patches. someone just needs to look at what corellium has done and discuss with the linux maintainers how they want them to be done
<jannau>
the wireless network adapter needs a little bit more work
<kettenis>
wifi is indeed broadcom
<Vaughn>
j_ey: It says "airport extreme", whatever that means, but I could've sworn it's the ax200.
<sven>
thunderbolt is probably going to require a lot of work
<j_ey>
Vaughn: seems like older macbooks are ax200
<Vaughn>
That probably explains it.
<kettenis>
bwfm0 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 "Broadcom BCM4378" rev 0x03: msi
<kettenis>
xhci0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 "Fresco Logic FL1100 xHCI" rev 0x10: msi, xHCI 1.0
<kettenis>
bge0 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 "Broadcom BCM57762" rev 0x00, BCM57766 A0 (0x57766000): msi, address 00:10:18:00:00:00
<j_ey>
wifi, usb, eth
<Vaughn>
Is that a mini?
<kettenis>
the new 10G m1n1 has been reported to have an aquantia chip instead of the broadcom
<kettenis>
(probably shouldn't call the machine m1n1)
<j_ey>
lol
<sven>
:D
<kettenis>
there is a function 1 next to the wifi that's probably bluetooth
<kettenis>
vendor "Broadcom", unknown product 0x5f69 (class network subclass miscellaneous, rev 0x03) at pci1 dev 0 function 1 not configured
<ar>
Vaughn: apple used ax200 for wifi in the m1 macs?
<ar>
that would be surprising to me
<Vaughn>
Never mind it. I don't recall where I got that datum.
<Misthios>
Vaughn : " I'd like to make NixOS the first linux distro to run on the M1" looks like ur gonna compete with the fedora guy 😂
<Vaughn>
Oh, absolutely. :D
<j_ey>
and marc4n himself :P
<Vaughn>
We'll see whose distro has the more flexible build system.
<Misthios>
marcan will win anyway
<Vaughn>
marcan doesn't count! No-one with that many lasers counts as a valid opponent.
<Misthios>
i mean he sven en kettenis and more are doing the actual work xd
<Vaughn>
Well, yes. All glory to the marcan. I wouldn't know where to start.
<Vaughn>
But if I can get the nix package library to build on the M1 that would likely be helpful.
<j_ey>
Vaughn: cant you do that on macOS?
<Vaughn>
Theoretically, and I *am* poking at it, but--
<jannau>
every distro with with a rootfs already works
<Vaughn>
- Nix on MacOS is a bit of a disaster, largely due to forced impurity to import MacOS libraries.
<Vaughn>
- Someone else already did it.
<Vaughn>
- And I don't personally know MacOS well at all, while I do have some familiarity with Linux.
<jannau>
can you use Linux in qemu using mac os's hv.framework
<Vaughn>
What working on the apple-arm64 port is good for is fixing bugs specifically related to arm64. But there aren't many of those. It's almost entirely about the 'apple' half.
<Vaughn>
Yeah, and that works perfectly.
<Vaughn>
(I have indeed been poking at vftool. It works fine, but isn't going to help with e.g. getting nixos-generate-config to work well.)
<ar>
I'm using Nix on my work macos
<ar>
but mostly because i see brew as an even bigger disaster
<Vaughn>
Mm. Be aware that the current nixpkgs you get on the M1 is the x86-64 version.
<ar>
i know
<Vaughn>
'kay. There's a PR you can patch in to get ARM instead, but it isn't exactly done.
<ar>
i know :)
<Vaughn>
Fair enough! :)
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<pugguu>
Who is the fedora guy?
<pugguu>
And is there a ubuntu guy
<pugguu>
We also need a opensuse tumbleweed guy
<pugguu>
And ofc a debian guy
<pugguu>
Gentoo guy for anyone who is crazy enough to do si
<pugguu>
So*
<pugguu>
The first 4 i said i would be most interested in
<pugguu>
The 5th one is for the memers that say they use gentoo on a mac
<Misthios>
we also have a alpine guy here
<Misthios>
:)
<Misthios>
gotta collect them all obv
<pugguu>
Alpine isnt that what pmos uses
<Misthios>
yes
<pugguu>
Another thing that would be cool is ubuntu toutch for the m1 ipad
<pugguu>
And or pmos
<Misthios>
wont happen (that bootloader is locked i believe)
<pugguu>
Sigh
<pugguu>
And thats why i have a mini
<pugguu>
Mac mini
<pugguu>
If i knew what i was doing id probs be the ubuntu guy but i cant code
<pugguu>
If it were as simple as typing a few commands in a shell i could probs do that
<psydroid>
I expect reasonably powerful tablet hardware to be out there by the time you've got ubuntu running well on the Mac mini
<pugguu>
I dont think it will take that long
<pugguu>
Marcan will probs get it working in a year like he did with the ps4
<pugguu>
Iirc
<pugguu>
Might have been 2
<pugguu>
Im shure marcan will correct me on that
<Misthios>
the time doesnt matter (for me at least) its just cool to see
<Misthios>
and highly educational
<marcan>
Vaughn: there isn't really anything to the "apple" half userspace-wise, at least not at this point
<marcan>
eventually there will be, like, bleeding edge mesa/libdri branches and such?
<marcan>
not much more
<marcan>
not for basic functinoality anyway
<Vaughn>
marcan: If you're referring to the apple-arm64 line, that was about the state of nix-on-macos.
<Vaughn>
NixOS on bare metal should be simpler. We already have a build system for AArch64, for one.
<marcan>
ah, right
<marcan>
but yeah, once the kernel works you can pick your favorite rootfs and use it, it's not like userspace cares that this is an M1
<pugguu>
I have heard of nix os somewhere
<Vaughn>
Right. Adapting NixOS to it will be mostly about making sure nixos-generate-config outputs the right config.
<Vaughn>
And likely some nixos-hardware patches.
<pugguu>
I swear i know someone on discord that was apart of the dev team
<Vaughn>
pugguu: nixos.org. The 'dev team' is a rather amorphous affair, unless you're referring to core.
<pugguu>
I mean like a main guy
<pugguu>
I just recognise it idk how i just do
<pugguu>
Same with ur username
<Vaughn>
I'm Baughn in most places.
<pugguu>
Hmmmm
<pugguu>
Heard that somewhere too
<pugguu>
Problem is i have been in so many servers there will be alot of simmiler usernames
<pugguu>
Discord servers that id
<pugguu>
Is
<pugguu>
With about 4 diffrent name changes
<Vaughn>
Sufficient Velocity maybe?
<pugguu>
Nope
<pugguu>
I can list my 4 usernames
<pugguu>
That i have had
<pugguu>
My irc name is one of them theres also M68K daimond mad2604 and Wi-Fi
<pugguu>
2 of them have (goodest boi) at the end
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<pugguu>
Hello marcan what are u guys doing about magic trackpad and keyboard support
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<pugguu>
Or will i have to use a usb mouse to quickly pair it
<jn>
hmm, i don't remember hearing any details about trackpad/keyboard
<VinDuv>
by magic trackpad you mean the external one ?
<jn>
i'm fairly certain there will be a driver but it might be that the driver will be trivial, if the peripherals are simply USB/HID based
<pipcet[m]>
on the mackbookpro's builtin touchpad/keyboard the corellium drivers work very well, and they're based on the existing applespi driver so we can use that.
<jn>
pipcet[m]: i see. makes sense
<pipcet[m]>
had to tweak them a little to allow reloading after kexec and to reduce the SPI frequency, but nothing major
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<pugguu>
A. external
<pugguu>
B. Bluetooth
<pugguu>
Im yet to try the corllium build
<pugguu>
Only issue i have with it is no excelaration
<pugguu>
And another question is there going to be something similer to rosetta2 for linux like maby a reverse engineer
<pugguu>
Of it
<pugguu>
And ofc a way to run fortnite on it so my nephew can be happy and that i can show him the ways of linux
<VinDuv>
Linux already has a Bluetooth HID driver for the magic trackpad, so assuming Bluetooth works (?) it should just work; auto-pairing is the responsability of the userland software, not the kernel
<jn>
regarding rosetta2, there's qemu-user, which is roughly similar in scope
<jn>
running commercial games... that one is probably more difficult. i suggest you try it on an x86 linux box first
<Mary>
Would be nice to have the step required to create a kernel blob for run_guest.py ^^
<pugguu>
jn: one problem i dont have a powerful enough linux box
<pugguu>
The mac mini is my most powerfull hardwear