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<kallisti>
Hey quick question. How might I verify if I can install asahi on my laptop. I have semi privileges. I think I can try to boot into some sort of preboot utitilty and check if I have authority to perform certain actions required by the install utility. It's not clear however what I need to do to check before installation.
<kallisti>
Forgot a question mark ^^
<kallisti>
I would prefer to verify this before attempting installation.
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<kallisti>
Do I need to test if I can disable filevault to install or is it a different requirement?
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<chadmed>
hendry: work is happening on thunderbolt but its not ready for public consumption at all yet. when it is it will be announced and the feature support page will be updated to reflect that
<chadmed>
kallisti: you can keep filevault enabled on your primary macos install with no issues
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<kallisti>
chadmed: how do I verify what permissions I need for the install process? Is there a way to verify from the macOS recovery terminal?
<chadmed>
you need root, the installer will ask you to put your password in when it calls sudo
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<kallisti>
Hmm ok. Yeah looks like I might not have that anymore. Bummer.
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<chadmed>
why would you not have sudo...
<kallisti>
loaner laptop
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<marcan>
one outlet makes up some nonsense and they all copy it, and absolutely *nobody* checks with the actual developers.
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<psykose>
is zdnet that site where you click it and it gives you a virus download link on windows
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<Tramtrist>
driveby reporting
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<bluetail>
marcan you are still my idol... especially that recent comment about you searching your memory for something you wrote but got deleted within the tab after clicking the X and then searching the memory for that string. How genius. I tested it my own, and it works wonderfully. Didn't used gdb, but gameconqueror
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<arnd>
sjvn usually gets the facts right with his reporting, which probably contributed to the rest picking up that nonsense without fact checking
<arnd>
He probably got it from my pull request message that I wrote for torvlds, which contains this paragraph:
<arnd>
"The most notable changes, by SoC platform, are:
<arnd>
- The Apple T6000 (M1 Pro), T6001 (M1 Max) and T6002 (M1 Ultra) chips now have initial support. This is particularly nice as I am typing this on a T6002 Mac Studio with only a small number of driver patches."
<arnd>
this was for the arch/arm64/boot/dts pull requests
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<spiralw>
hello, i'm considering getting a M2 macbook air, is it possible to run external displays on asahi with it?
<ChaosPrincess>
not yet
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<spiralw>
ChaosPrincess thanks, do you know if when it it will be supported there will also be support for multiple displays? macOS doesn't support it, but i don't know if that's a software or hardware limitation
<ChaosPrincess>
we also dont know yet, but dont hold your breath
<spiralw>
fair
<ChaosPrincess>
more likely no than yes
<sven>
on t8103 (M1) it'll only a be a single external display
<spiralw>
ok so probably the same on M2 as well
<spiralw>
unfortunate
<ChaosPrincess>
sven: can't you play weird tricks by abusing the thunderbolt multiple streams they use for 6k displays?
<sven>
I couldn't get that to work
<sven>
then again, I don't even have a multiple stream display so maybe I just messed that support up in generla
<sven>
but it very much looks like the DCP firmware won't even care about the secondary stream if the EDID of the first stream doesn't tell it that it's dealing with a tiled display
<sven>
now for M2 it might be possible to reroute the internal dcp like they do on the mini but I also don't have a M2 so who knows
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<spiralw>
interesting. thanks!
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<bluetail>
just as a sidenote... You cannot mount a btrfs filesystem made on a system with 4k pages thats done with a system on 16K pages (like m1 mac mini)
<bluetail>
the other way around works though
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<bluetail>
which effectively means, if your ARM v8 device breaks, you need another to mount your disks at the current time
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<sven>
that sounds like a bug or a bad default value for their sector size (or however that filesystem calls it)
<arnd>
bluetail: "mkfs.btrfs -s 4096" works fine to create a portable file system
<bluetail>
arnd tell me that now after I had created the FS :/
<arnd>
the problem is that 'mkfs.btrfs' defaults to sectorsize=pagesize, because that used to be the only supported setting. They added support for 4k sectors on 64k pages a while ago, and I think 5.19 added support for 4k sectors on 16k pages as well, but all other combinations are still broken
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<bluetail>
yep, cant do the other way around!
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<bluetail>
I'm wondering how I can find the current sector size!
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<bluetail>
I use gparted to initialize / format the disks in the first place.
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<arnd>
ext4 has essentially the same problem, except that sectorsize < pagesize was always supported, and mkfs.ext4 defaults to 4k sectors on most distros
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<bluetail>
yep, mine is 16384 which gparted chose it seems
<bluetail>
are there any drawbacks, other than portability having that sectorsize?
<bluetail>
are there even benefits?
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<arnd>
16k sectors use a little more space than 4k sectors. For a kernel source tree this should be around 40% extra
<arnd>
same as RAM usage in page cache
<bluetail>
Yea, what benefits do we have? Using 20tb disks
<arnd>
accessing large files is probably a bit faster with larger sectors, but I haven't done any measurements
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<arnd>
there is also a bit of overhead in the btrfs implementation for the sectorsize!=pagesize case
<bluetail>
sounds good to me. So its just a matter of time till the btrfs team has implemented it anyways
<bluetail>
Just trying some math. Can I outperform 31 watt usage for 2 hard-disks (in big enclosure) + as powerful as m1 cpu in idle? As in, build new PC with many bays, be more efficient and at least as powerful
<arnd>
implemented what? To be clear, I don't think that ext4 or btrfs have plans to support sectorsize>pagesize in the future
<bluetail>
I see
<arnd>
bluetail: if you want to migrate your data to a 4k sector btrfs, this is fairly easy using 'btrfs send' and 'btrfs receive', storing a full image as a file on some other drive
<bluetail>
Thats helpful. Still wondering where I would be for anything that is >=10 sata bays
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<bluetail>
arnd mkfs.btrfs -s 4096 worked out! Thank you! I'm gonna migrate to it.