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<Foox>
Good morning! Is there any testing/updates branch one could use to get f40-beta?
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<Foox>
Also, from an accessibility perspective, it would be nice if you could tweak the color scheme at the features section at the bottom here: https://asahilinux.org/fedora/. It is impossible to see which features are done and which aren't, if you are color blind. Colors are not meant to be used for indications, even though they sadly still are in a lot of places including schools.
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<Foox>
With the current color scheme you're using, you will leave about 7-10% of the population guessing. :)
<Foox>
Let me know if you want help adjusting them in a way that will be readable for everyone.
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<j`ey>
LarstiQ: yeah! but not the software i want to compile with it
<Fooxi>
How much has the asahi team tweaked the touchpad scrolling experience in firefox in Plasma? I can't quite figure out why scrolling is so much smoother than in asahi+gnome+firefox. Or is it a Plasma thing more than asahi?
<Fooxi>
By asahi I mean the fedora asahi remix.
<PaulFertser>
Fooxi: are you using a wayland session and firefox as a wayland client when testing it?
<PaulFertser>
Fooxi: yet another reason to use (new) Plasma is that they implemented support for colour profiles (ICC) in pixel shaders (iirc?) so that's probably the only way to get accurate colours for now.
<LarstiQ>
j`ey: did that fail, or you didn't get around to trying yet?
<j`ey>
LarstiQ: it failed, and I couldnt figure out why
<LarstiQ>
j`ey: do you have logs?
<j`ey>
LarstiQ: not right now
<j`ey>
LarstiQ: the issue, as I understand it, is that a library isnt being installed properly into the cache
<j`ey>
but Im going to try make a generic fedora VM, and try again
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<Fooxi>
PaulFertser: Both are on wayland, yes. IE, desktop and client (on both gnome and plasma).
<Fooxi>
PaulFertser: Oh, that's nice!
<PaulFertser>
Fooxi: hm, that's odd, if it's the same firefox doing essentially same thing I can't see how a wayland compositor can affect smoothness. Granted, I have little clue about the topic.
<LarstiQ>
the only thing that comes to mind is different input configuration, but why that affects the scrolling?
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<Fooxi>
So in asahi+fedora+gnome+wayland+firefox I get kinetic scrolling that sort of lags every few lines. In asahi+fedora+kde+wayland+firefox it is butter smooth per default.
<Fooxi>
... which made me think maybe the asahi team had done some tweaking in the default fedora remix experience that is not present in gnome, or maybe that wayland implementation in gnome is worse (but I agree - not sure how that would affect it).
<Fooxi>
Even if I heavily tweak the gnome firefox default config and adjust it to try to make it smoother, I never get it anywhere near the default experience (kde).
<Fooxi>
This is not really a problem since I prefer plasma anyway, but I was just curious because if it's just a matter of firefox about:config settings, I'd love to know what they are so I can replicate it everywhere. :)
<u154ss>
all I am trying to install a Fedora Remix prior to installing Gentoo on an M2 Mini. The installer is aborting, just a pink flash then restart. Please see https://paste.debian.net/1314341/ Anyone any ideas?
<j`ey>
has that happened multiple times?
<u154ss>
all The last time I used the installer (Dec. 2023), it worked. Running sonoma 14.4.1.
<u154ss>
j'ey yes. Initially, I tried with the full F39 (KDE) install, then with F39 (minimal) - same story.
<u154ss>
@all From memory, the Asahi installer is 0.7.1?
<u154ss>
@all The abort is happening after the first prompt for a password in the install process. Appx. 60-90 seconds into this.
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<u154ss>
@all the latest installer is from 18.12.2023 - which is the one I am using. Cannot be that.. Sonoma? As a fallback, I can see if Glanzmann's Debian installer works, although I think he also pulls in the latest Asahi installer...
<PaulFertser>
Fooxi: you mean you're not testing same Firefox profile in Fedora to compare it in Plasma and GNOME, why?
<j`ey>
can you try 'sudo' some other command u154ss ?
<u154ss>
@j'ey not sure I understand what you mean exactly..
<PaulFertser>
u154ss: sudo ls
<u154ss>
From what environment??
<PaulFertser>
From same environment you run the installer.
<u154ss>
Wait please..
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<u154ss>
@all just back from 1TR. From the terminal, sudo is not found... i.e. sudo ls "sudo" not found.
<j`ey>
you could try the installer from macOS, not 1TR, that's usually where youre meant to run it from
<u154ss>
@j'ey I have always ran the installer from 1TR... never directly from macos.
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<maz>
u154ss: the installer really is meant to run from macos. it may have worked from 1TR in the past, but that doesn't mean it's the correct way to do it.
<u154ss>
@all This is getting complicated... The first phase of the install directly from the macos command line completes, prompts for a reboot, logo appears (macos, Fedora, options). So far so good. Click on Fedora which enters 1TR to continue then the pink flash and abort again.
<u154ss>
In December 2023 - using 1TR, this did not happen. Everything completed cleanly.
<leio>
I believe you need to install from macOS not 1TR, at least as a data point, before we should debug anything further
<u154ss>
@leio fair enough. News to me. Up to now, I have always used 1TR as per Glanzmann's instruction and others also.
<leio>
first time I hear anything about 1TR being relevant for installer at all (beyond when it instructs to go to the new installs one as part of the install process iirc=
<u154ss>
@all If the installer automatically reboots into 1TR in the second phase of the install, how do I (we) get around that?
<u154ss>
@leio I have always used 1TR to install Asahi (up to today) F39/Debian, and it has always worked.
<j`ey>
u154ss: do you have other data on the machine? might be worth a wipe/reinstall of macOS if not
<u154ss>
@j'ey I would prefer not to.. What has changed between 12/23 and 04/24? The last release of the installer is from 18 December 23, I used the Installer last in late December using 1TR and things worked. The only other thing I did in between was update macos to 14.4.1 (Sonoma).
<leio>
u154ss: err, if the installer tells to go to a certain 1TR, then you do that. We are talking about the initial curl line.
<j`ey>
u154ss: what changed was an updated to macos :P
<u154ss>
I have just done as you said. Please see my previous post - "his is getting complicated... The first phase of the install directly from the macos command line completes, prompts for a reboot, logo appears (macos, Fedora, options). So far so good. Click on Fedora which enters 1TR to continue then the pink flash and abort again."
<j`ey>
looks like there's a bug in that version I guess
<u154ss>
@j'ey if that is the case, this leaves me with an M2 Mini with this dreadful macos - and nothing else..
<j`ey>
u154ss: if it just has macOS on it.. why arent you able to reinstall?
<u154ss>
@j'ey Could do so. But if this is a macos problem, I will be back to where I started from.
<tamar>
not exactly an asahi question, but is it possible to set process affinity and disable freq scaling on OSX? So I have the same consistency as on asahi?
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<PaulFertser>
Probably something's going wrong during switching to permissive mode because the log shows a SEP exception. Guess reading https://apple.stackexchange.com/a/453256 could help u154ss .
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<u154ss>
@PF Perhaps, however, the installer et al worked cleanly in December 2023. The post you refer to is rather older.
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<PaulFertser>
u154ss: the post explains the fundamentals behind booting anything at all on Apple Silicon so that didn't change.
<PaulFertser>
Probably somehow you're rebooting in a wrong recovery or something.
<u154ss>
@PF Whatever, does not help me.
<PaulFertser>
Too bad. Usually understanding fundamentals helps.
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<u154ss>
@pf Not in my case, I would surmise. The sarcasm does not help either.
<j`ey>
rebooting into the wrong recovery shouldnt lead to a kernel panic though
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<PaulFertser>
u154ss: sorry, I didn't intend to sound too sarcastic. Unfortunately I do not have any better ideas either, sorry, I hope someone here can help better. There must be some difference between the current state of your system and what theothers have and the installer expects.
<PaulFertser>
If pink flash is seen does it mean the switch for the permissive mode was actually performed and the script tried to reboot but failed with a SEP exception? I do not know at what point the pink flash happens, is it before the manipulations or after.
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<u154ss>
@all This is the tail-end of the Asahi installer (running directly from macos). FWIW I also tried Glanzmann's installer - same result(s).
<u154ss>
@all Will try a re-install of that dreadful OS. BTW, it wants to install Ventura.. which is a wee bit lon in the tooth. Should have an answer onw way or the other in a while.
<u154ss>
lon = long
<u154ss>
onw = one
<u154ss>
all thumbs.
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<u154ss>
@all Downgraded from Sonoma (14.4.1) to Ventura (13.6.6) tried the install again - same results. Tried with Glanzmann and Asahi install scripts. No joy. At this stage, I am going offline. Enough frustration for today.
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<bluetail>
u154ss message me
<bluetail>
we will do a idevicerestore recovery from a second linux machine of yours
<bluetail>
you can choose whatever version of macos you want. there are tons
<bluetail>
that to be said, the setup for it is a bit of a hassle
<bluetail>
:D
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<jannau>
u154ss: looks like sep crashes while authenticating the password. not sure what we can do about that. I suppose either something went wrong during copying the credentials from the macos partition or there is something wrong with the credential db. unfortunately not my area of expertise
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<j`ey>
anyone noticed that gtk seems to scale up bydefault?
<bluetail>
j`ey no but I noticed that since I am on fedora, my external storage gets dumped during readwrite
<bluetail>
ejected*
<bluetail>
I need to find out whats going on ASAP
<bluetail>
I already disabled powersave for usb via cmdline
<j`ey>
lol nice segue :P
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<cy8aer>
j`ey: Are you on kde and startup gtk stuff from there? I had effects when trying out kde (I am on gnome) that all scalings on the gnome desktop were adjusted after this try.
<j`ey>
nah, using dwl (tiling WM)
<j`ey>
I saw some GDK_SCALE GDK_DPI_SCALE env variables, but they didn't seem to help
<bluetail>
so thats really strange. it may have to do with space_cache
<cy8aer>
eventually changes in the org.gnome.desktop.interface gsettings?
<j`ey>
cy8aer: how do you access them from the CLI / not even sure if that applies to GTK standalone?
<j`ey>
I dont know if I have dconf, will have to check
<cy8aer>
gsettings (that is console). And if it is persistent, than you may find parameters around /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas - Changes need "sudo glib-compile-schemas /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas"
<j`ey>
is that a gtk or gnome thing?
<cy8aer>
it is a glib thing.
<cy8aer>
should be not dependent on gnome - more the other way round
<j`ey>
I see
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<leio>
please do not edit /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas.
<j`ey>
leio: mr gtk what I do
<leio>
What was the original problem again?
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<j`ey>
things are scaled more in gtk
<leio>
and what's your target scale %?
<leio>
that you desire
<bluetail>
so far space_cache=v2 seems to work for btrfs, whats going on?
<j`ey>
leio: I guess 100%? I dont even know what it's scaling too currently
<bluetail>
is it like v1 default?
<leio>
you can find out what it's scaling to via the gtk inspector
<j`ey>
leio: thanks, not at the asahi machine rn, will try later/tomorrow
<j`ey>
Im assuming firefox is gtk too, but there it mostly seems to be the cursor thats scaled up
<leio>
I saw that, but I can't find it myself
<leio>
firefox is not gtk
<leio>
I mean, sort of, but not really
<j`ey>
it's not as noticable as this gtk app I just tried, huge cursor!
<leio>
I think there's a bug in gtk3 where 300% scale would make it huge, but I don't think you have 300% scale, so not sure
<leio>
the settings you tweak with gsettings command line
<j`ey>
this new app is gtk4
<leio>
gsettings set path.to.key new_value
<leio>
that saves it to the user, assuming you have dconf available
<leio>
dconf-editor is a graphical UI for this
<leio>
fractional scales before 4.14 work like macOS and I think plasma - only integer scales from toolkit, the compositor asks a larger one and scales itself
<leio>
4.14 includes fractional scaling support at the toolkit level, but I think it needs an env var opt-in due to still a bit experimental
<leio>
oh, long ago I meant to say s/I saw that/I say that/
<leio>
I think things get shown different between GNOME and outside for it though, so might still find it there
<leio>
ah, it's there, under geometry, it's showing 3840 × 2160 @ 2 at 0, 0 for 2x scale
<leio>
it's a per-monitor thing too, if you move the majority to another screen, it might change automatically
<leio>
off to bed, maybe we happen to be both around when you are at that machine
<j`ey>
leio: the '@ 2 at; is 2x?
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<nicolas17>
leio: I'd say "do not edit /usr except /usr/local" :P
<cy8aer>
ok, ~/.local/share/glib-2.0/schemas for overwriting will do.
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<Guest1450>
Hello! I was wondering if there was a proper place to go for community support? I don't want to bother anyone by posing a question in the wrong place.
<j`ey>
yep feel free to ask
<Guest1450>
Okay, This is my first MAC, just got it because asahi exists and it's phenomenal! Only issue I've had is I've always used virtualbox for virtualization. So I've been trying to use virt-manager as a substitute and my guests boot and install just fine but anytime a GUI is supposed to launch - it fails.
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<Guest1450>
I don't even know where to start looking, I tried googling the last couple days but haven't gotten anywhere. Really any suggestion on where to look would be appreciated :-)
<stintel>
which guest OS?
<Guest1450>
I've tried Fedora Workstation 39 aarch64 and x86_64, Ubuntu 22.04 LTS arm and debian 12 arm.
<stintel>
you'll want to check which model your Video controller is set to in the VM config, in virt-manager in "Show virtual hardware details" tab
<Guest1450>
Ok, I'll take a look.
<stintel>
also check if you have a Channel of type Spice agent
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<Guest1450>
I'm sorry, I actually don't see a Video controller in the listing. Would you mind telling me which tabs it's next to?
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<Guest1450>
I see Controller entries for "USB 0" "VirtIO SCSI 0" "PCIe 0" "VirtIO Serial 0"
<stintel>
then you should add one
<stintel>
for me the video controller is in between Channel (qemu-ga) and USB 0
<stintel>
I guess you didn't select the appropriate guest OS when you created the VM
<Guest1450>
Yeah, I was just playing with that. Thank You so much for the help! It worked. I had to add the video controller and the graphics for VNC. But now It's working. Really, really grateful :-)
<stintel>
I'd say try spice instead of VNC
<stintel>
and you're very welcome
<stintel>
I always appreciate when people ditch virtualbox for qemu ;)
<bluetail>
so apparently space_cache=v2 fixed my btrfs issue. Can we have that as default, and if not, why?
<Guest1450>
When I loaded the iso it has me identify the guest os and it auto-populated the correct information for Fedora and Debian. I had to set it manually for Ubuntu but they all had that same issue. I'm going to try Spice now.
<stintel>
so when you select the appropriate guest OS during the "new vm" wizard, the "best" virtual hardware that should be supported by the guest OS should be selected
<stintel>
but maybe that doesn't work so well on arm64
<j`ey>
leio: apparently the cursor is the smallest it can be and scale is 1
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<Guest1450>
Well now I get gdm but my keyboard and mouse doesn't work in the vm. But that's ok, I'm sure I can figure it out now.
<Guest1450>
Yeah, just had to add them in the Hardware Details. Everything works :-) That was it!
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