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<evil_king_8791>
hello there. macbook m2 max 14" users, how long battery life you have?
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<umaga>
Hi I have an issue where my usb external drives disappear when my M1 wakes from suspend. I'm trying to determine if this is a known asahi issue, or just a me issue. I've posted on Fedora discussion and Reddit, but no replies.
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<umaga>
13" 2020 M1. Fedora remix 42 beta, GNome. Tested on multiple drives, plugged directly into the laptop, with and without power going to the laptop. Unplugging the drives and plugging back in makes them reappear in the system.
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<umaga>
lsblk doesn't show any signs of the drive after waking. So it's like the drives completely disappear. Other USB devices (mouse, power) work fine.
<umaga>
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
<umaga>
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
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<nicolas17>
I just had the impulse to go find my USB drive and my USB-A to USB-C adapter and reboot into Linux and test it myself, but on second thought considering it's 2:20am, I should go to bed instead >.>
<umaga>
Fair enough. I'll check back later if anyone has a chance to test/give troubleshooting ideas. I'm just surprised not to find more info about this if it's indeed known issue.
<umaga>
Thanks :)
<chadmed>
umaga: im pretty sure this is a known bug with usb power management and one of the reasons we explicitly do not support usb rootfses yet
<nicolas17>
this reminds me of an edge case of an edge case that macOS supports
<umaga>
chadmed: ok, that's good know. if it is a known issue that a bug report/logs probably aren't so useful.
<nicolas17>
macOS rootfs on a USB drive connected to the hub of an Apple Studio Display
<nicolas17>
they have an explicit check for that before running a firmware update on the display :D
<chadmed>
the usb stack is kinda fucked and we probably need to work on it. we're currently tearing down and resetting the entire root when devices are hotplugged
<nicolas17>
and it's fun to imagine the internal oh-shit moment that led to that check being implemented
<umaga>
well if logs/testing can be of any help, I'm happy to contribute. Do you happen to know if the way the suspend works with usb will be detrimental to hd data integrity? I'm just thinking of cases where I forget to unplug the hd before suspending.
<chadmed>
if there are no in flight operations and the disk caches are flushed then it should be fine
<umaga>
nicolas17: that was my thought too
<nicolas17>
I assume suspend flushes disk caches?
<chadmed>
id say so
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<umaga>
thanks again. Will need to get back to work for now, but will try to keep up with irc to keep learning about asahi and any possible ways to help.
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<monthebiff>
evening all o/
<monthebiff>
im torn between shrinking down my mac os partition as much as physically possible
<monthebiff>
and leaving it with several hundred GB so i can have WoW installed..
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<monthebiff>
ah wait. imovie. balls.
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<monthebiff>
might have to get an external drive just for that... unless i can mount the asahi partition and store my imovie libraries on there?
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<fl0_id>
monthebiff you can prob mount it, if it's ext4, but pretty sure you don't want to store imovie there
<fl0_id>
because of xattrs etc I think
<fl0_id>
maybe just have someone upgrade the flash chips... ;)
<monthebiff>
you know what i was thinking about that...
<monthebiff>
im assuming id need a new device tree to go with it?
<monthebiff>
and that would need to be loaded into all the os installs on the drive?
<jbe>
doesn't macos let you put apps et.c. on external drives nowadays? in case that's an option?
<fl0_id>
jbe didn't it always? mostly you can have apps anywhere. though some might complain, and their Application Support/Library stuff which can be caches, downloaded things etc can get quite big, which you cannot easily move i think
<fl0_id>
(I once used a ssd - hdd setup on a windows laptop, with the user directoy symlinked to the hdd. it was great, except for some apps (nvidia gui driver thingy) breaking because node didn't support these types of symlinks)
<leio>
did we have working nested virtualization on M2 Ultra with asahi?
<fl0_id>
so I have some experience with weird devices/partitions etc
<jbe>
yeah I did a similar thing on my previous work laptop
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<monthebiff>
trying to think what i need from the mac os side of things... up until recently id have said apple tv but its working great as a web app in asahi.
<monthebiff>
imovie/iphoto libraries... unless i migrated completely away from that... which i could except im on iphone...
<monthebiff>
WoW until it starts working on asahi/ i find a way to make it work... which wont be likely i dont think as i dont have space in my life for an x86 device to test on atm.
<monthebiff>
logic pro if i ever get back into audio/ music stuff. max/msp?
<monthebiff>
i do miss raycast :P but im not going to log in to mac os just to used it :P
<j`ey>
leio: no in the asahi tree
<j`ey>
*not
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<fl0_id>
monthebiff I'm on an iphone too but somehow never really got into iphoto. it's just too enveloping, wanting to manage everything in itself
<monthebiff>
yeh im still trying to figure out if i like it or not
<monthebiff>
and how best to manage syncing of files between phone and mac os.
<fl0_id>
once I have my nas up, I will back them up to photoprism. right now it' still dropbox
<fl0_id>
well I just don't have them on macos
<fl0_id>
because usually I don't need them
<monthebiff>
i love the events organisation in imovie
<monthebiff>
and the ability to bring in photos to a movie project is nice, between those two things and not having a use case thats forced me to go back to kdenlive yet, i've just not moved away from them
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<leio>
j`ey: but it can be made to work on M2 at some point (where macos I understand is M3+)
<leio>
missed the question mark :)
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<j`ey>
leio: yes it works with other branches currently
<monthebiff>
so on my mac os partition, 500GB, i have a 240GB imovie library.
<monthebiff>
i do not like that use of space :P
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<monthebiff>
im sure this has been asked to death a million times, but what is the current answer to 'how do i resize my asahi linux install?'
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<chaos_princess>
with difficulty
<chaos_princess>
create a live usb by copying your rootfs there, boot from it, use gparted to move partitions around
<monthebiff>
ok cool... that will involve buying a usb... and a dock :P
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<leio>
wasn't there also the possibility of making another partition in front of it and then extending btrfs over it?
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<fl0_id>
leio that too. or in theory using some 3rd party partitioning tools from macos, but that could go badly...
<monthebiff>
to be clear... in mac os, resize the mac partition down to create empty space between the mac apfs volume and the asahi apfs volume... then extend btrfs back over the empty space preceeding it?
<monthebiff>
that would be ideal, wasn't aware i could do that though while the asahi system was launched
<monthebiff>
mounted
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<leio>
it'd be a separate partition when doing what I said, btrfs has lvm-like features where you make it extend over different partitions
<monthebiff>
riiiiggght, think i get the idea ill read up on it.
<leio>
not using fedora myself, nor btrfs, I made the partition setup different at install time, for more flexibility if I need to change things around
<monthebiff>
still need to figure out what to shorten my mac os to first anyway
<monthebiff>
yeh i just went with simplest case scenario i could just to get the ball rolling with minimal risk... i dont have a separate mac lying around for restore if it goes completely wrong :P
<monthebiff>
is weird how fast you blitz through a TB hard drive though on this platform, 500GB each way minus the backup partition and other apple stuff... core mac os install size/ reserved space for updates
<monthebiff>
one game these days, 100GB
<monthebiff>
some video footage
<monthebiff>
and you're screwed :P
<leio>
I set things up as https://bpa.st/MDXA for a bit more flexibility; would have been nice to put the ESP at the end just before recovery too
<leio>
as well as the asahi APFS probably; stuff I wouldn't be resizing ever at the end, so can shift things around at the other places without needing to shift the constant ones anywhere
<monthebiff>
i thought it had to be very specific with the ordering of stuff like that for it to work?
<leio>
you have what you have from Fedora, so for you it's probably just making use of btrfs features (that I couldn't rely on in my setup as I do ext4/xfs)
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<monthebiff>
no i mean i thought for it to boot at all stuff had to be in a specific order... the APFS volumes im thinking of, with the device trees and such for booting? (unless im completely misremembering/ not understanding?)
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<chaos_princess>
order does not matter, partitions should refer to each other by uuids
<monthebiff>
i need to reread the breakdown of the apple stuff
<monthebiff>
clearly my mind absorbed something incorrectly
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<chaos_princess>
well, depending on your os install, there might be hardcoded partition numbers somewhere, but from what i remember, fedora does it right and uses uuids only
<monthebiff>
oh i get that for fedora
<monthebiff>
i thought it was early in the boot process
<chaos_princess>
for asahi stuff, m1n1 chainload just looks up partition by uuid, and loads stage2 from it using fat32
<monthebiff>
the system parses the apf blocks to look for valid files for booting? thought it was order specific
<chaos_princess>
u-boot is embedded in m1n1 stage 2
<chaos_princess>
oh, you mean iBoot->m1n1 stage 1?
<chaos_princess>
there is a nvram variable that contains the uuid of partition to boot from
<chaos_princess>
if it does not exist or corrupted, it boots from system recovery, and _that_ one is order-sensitive
<chaos_princess>
(probably, but i am not brave enough to check)
<monthebiff>
i dont know what i mean im all turned around... when you do a 'hold power button to load boot options boot', doesn't it loop through stuff then for the sake of displaying bootable os's on screen? or is that nvram / uuid based?
<chaos_princess>
yes, it loops through partitions, but at that point you are actually running a tiny macos
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<monthebiff>
yeh ok, for some reason my brain went oh so it needs to do that to even boot
<monthebiff>
like based on the button press, it goes to the last apfs container which is happens to the OTR / recovery os
<monthebiff>
i didnt realise that it didnt do that looping/ boot selection every single time you boot the machine
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<monthebiff>
just to follow up... when the drive does get looped looking for apfs volumes... the order doesn't matter? and none apfs volumes are skipped? if so... how come the first volume / last volume are so strict in not being touched (again, based on what I've read)?
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<monthebiff>
like if you were to move the recover OS to the start of the drive... why would that break stuff? isn't it accessed by nvram variable in the same way as the default boot volume?
<chaos_princess>
because at that point you are running iBoot, and boot selector is an app running under full macos
<chaos_princess>
this is not like on efi systems where the boot selector is a part of boot process and "continues" into the os, here it is a slimmed-down macos install, that reboots into what you picked
<monthebiff>
yup i get that, but iboot -> detects button press -> loads OTR boot volume (via nvram variable pointing at appropriate volume?) if you were to move that volume... breaks?
<monthebiff>
or iboot -> detects button press -> loads OTR boot volume (via it being the last APF container on the disk?)
<monthebiff>
apologies if im being dense - just very interested to know whats going on
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<chaos_princess>
iboot -> checks if button is pressed (no) -> tries to load from nvram variable -> if fails - tries to load recovery -> if fails goes to dfu
<monthebiff>
and the tries to load recovery step, that's not just another nvram variable pointing at a different container?
<chaos_princess>
no
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<monthebiff>
and its fragile, move it/ touch it, it will fail, break and go to dfu?
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<chaos_princess>
sounds like it
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<fl0_id>
monthebiff what you mean with boot order - in the partitioning cheat sheet I think it says not to use macos gui diskutil, as it does funky things with partition order and cannot be relied upon
<fl0_id>
maybe that is where you got that from
<monthebiff>
think it was this
<monthebiff>
Each Apple Silicon machine has two special system APFS containers, the first one on the disk (iBoot System Container) and the last one on the disk (System Recovery). These should never be touched. Only create/remove partitions between them.
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<monthebiff>
and this
<monthebiff>
. If you delete this partition accidentally, macOS upgrades will cease to work, and any other problem with your system will leave it unbootable and require a factory restore and complete wipe. Restoring this partition without a full machine wipe is a major pain in the ass. Do NOT, under any circumstances, mess with this partition.
<monthebiff>
i think my brain just read that and went, ok so those things can NEVER be moved, and everything in between has to be an APFS container
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<TubTub>
Steam is currently broken right?
<JamesB192>
It's the combination of muvm and likrunfw, iirc that's a symptom.
<TubTub>
dumb question but what app are you using the acces this chat? im on srain
<opticron>
you can check someone's client using the ctcp version request
<opticron>
CTCP VERSION reply from TubTub: srain 1.6.0-git@0.1661.7d842e2
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<TubTub>
opticron: CTCP VERSION
<opticron>
you typically have to do: /ctcp opticron version
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<TubTub>
opticron: /ctcp opticron version
<TubTub>
danm i must just be dumb lol
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<opticron>
don't prefix it with my nick
<opticron>
but it's also possible that not all clients will support it via that interface
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<vulpes2>
is there a way to allow usb hid stuff (keyboards and mice) to wake up a machine from standby?
<vulpes2>
on a mac mini I have to reach to the back to press the power button to wake up the machine
<chaos_princess>
not supported (yet?)
<vulpes2>
honestly this really isn't a big deal given how little power apple silicon machines consume when idling, I'm just curious about the inner workings of this functionality
<chaos_princess>
i think the issue is that kb+trackpad gets fully powered down when in our sleep state, and macos enters some low power state instead
<vulpes2>
the usb controller might have also been powered off
<chaos_princess>
ah, you mean on desktops
<chaos_princess>
that too
<vulpes2>
on a macbook at least you got the lid sensor that covers the most common wakeup input
<vulpes2>
not sure if simply not powering off the usb controller is good enough though, might need some extra configuration to tell it to watch for hid reports
<chaos_princess>
it is probably fine? We do "phone-style" sleep where cpu is still on, it is just in a very deep power down state
<chaos_princess>
but also in general, everything involving sleep and/or power management is not as good as it can be
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<red_rider>
is anyone else having problems with steam? After launching in term I see: glx: failed to create dri3 screen
<chaos_princess>
i do not think there is such a link, you just kinda have to know :P
<red_rider>
you know after building a homelab with proxmox i thought i was a real nerd.... turns out i dont know shit lol
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<chadmed>
sysadmin is a very different problem set to swe
<chaos_princess>
"generic" swe is also kinda very different from what we do
<chadmed>
i know quite a few devs who should not be allowed anywhere near infrastructure, and a great number of sysadmins who should not be allowed near code more complex than a crontab
<chadmed>
thats true too
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