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<airlied> jenatali: thanks for posting the link to the object content visibility last week, I find myself digging into a similiar hole today
<jenatali> airlied: glad to be of service
<jenatali> Though I don't remember what you're talking about 😅
<airlied> multiple GL context and threads :-)
<airlied> my efforts to make llvmpipe be a bit more async with it's fragment shader processing is finding me a lot of things I didn't expect :-P
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<jenatali> Ah right
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<Wally> One of my devices running Turing is using llvmpipe instead of nouveau. Its a VIDIA GeForce RTX 2060. Its on the first slot right now
<Wally> Im using Xorg + Gnome
<Wally> and Cinnamon DE
<Wally> Installing the non-free drivers doesnt do anything in this regard and llvmpipe will still run
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<Wally> Im going to try using the non-free 470 drver
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<Wally> Not working still
<airlied> idr: got that step change fix?
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<jekstrand> anholt: If you want some low-hanging fruit to reduce .so sizes some more, vk_instance/device_extensions tables could use some trimming. They currently use VkExtensionProperties which has a hard coded char[256] for each extension name.
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<anholt> jekstrand: looks like it's 70kb right now, that's nice but not really on the radar compared to intel_perf
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<Venemo> Do we have a utility function in mesa that rounds up to the nearest power of two?
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<airlied> Venemo: util_next_power_of_two?
<Venemo> airlied: awesome, thanks
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<javierm> tzimmermann: is https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2022-January/338483.html something that wil be sent to to v5.17-rcX or just v5.18 ?
<javierm> tzimmermann: I wonder if at least patch #2 and #3 are -rc material
<tzimmermann> javierm, we did this for vmwgfx. unless you have a specific bug, i wouldn't bother
<tzimmermann> and zack seemed to be happy with it
<tzimmermann> javierm, btw we got quite a bit of regression from enabling simpledrm. even on radeon and i915. unfortunately i have no idea what it could be. the driver itself seems to work. fedora will probably be hit by simila rreports. if you wanna take a look: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1195887
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<javierm> tzimmermann: Ok, because someone showed me a boot log that had a similar issue than the one fixed by your series on Fedora 5.17-rc4 kernel and the rpi4
<javierm> tzimmermann: I'll ask them to file a bug for Fedora and let you know. Worst case we can carry your patches 2-3 downstream until v5.18
<tzimmermann> javierm, what do you mean by issue? the iomem thing
<javierm> tzimmermann: yes, the driver failing to request the memory range and getting a IORESOURCE_BUSY
<javierm> tzimmermann: but need to get more info first. Just wondered what was your plan for the series
<javierm> tzimmermann: reading your bz ticket now
<tzimmermann> if you want to cherry-pick, maybe take patche 1 to 4. but the fbdev hotunplug seems not suited for stable
<tzimmermann> idk
<javierm> tzimmermann: yes, patch 1 is too intrusive for stable. But at least patch 2 (not marking as IORESOURCE_BUSY) may be suitable
<tzimmermann> or maybe cherry-pick it into fedora ?
<tzimmermann> idk
<javierm> If I need to cherry-pick, I'll start with just 2 and optionally 2 and 3
<javierm> tzimmermann: right, I was talking about Fedora, not drm-misc-fixes
<tzimmermann> ok
<javierm> I think that waiting for v5.18 if there are no more upstream reports it's OK. I just wanted to know your plan to see what I should do in Fedora
<tzimmermann> javierm, i work for the competition :evilgrin:
<tzimmermann> more seriosly, i don't have any further plans for this series
<tzimmermann> maybe s/competion/competitor ?
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<javierm> tzimmermann: hahaha
<javierm> tzimmermann: that bugzilla ticket has too much noise so is hard to figure out. But this is interesting, someone mentioned that removing "video=" made it work
<javierm> tzimmermann: maybe you can ask them to boot with "earlycon efi=debug debug initcall_debug log_buf_len=16M ignore_loglevel"
<tzimmermann> that video= comment seemed unrelated
<javierm> keep_bootcon maybe be useful too and boot_delay=100 if they want to have some time to print the messages
<tzimmermann> good points. i'll try
<tzimmermann> thanks
<javierm> tzimmermann: it may well be. But they said:
<javierm> If I remove video=1440x900@60, or append initcall_blacklist=simpledrm_platform_driver_init, behavior returns to normal
<javierm> tzimmermann: I also wonder if is related to the fact that your grub is much more eye candy than Fedora's
<javierm> that is, if there's something set in grub with regard to graphics that could cause issues with the simpledrm -> real DRM driver handoff. Although I can't see what could be...
<tzimmermann> it always worked on my grubs. the themeing has never been an issue
<javierm> tzimmermann: I see
<tzimmermann> why would video= be related? i don't have the exact logic at hand, but fbdev emulation would probably ignore it
<tzimmermann> i'll give it a try
<javierm> tzimmermann: I don't know. I just thought that was worth to point out
<javierm> tzimmermann: this is a long shot but what's the gfxpayload you use in grub? In Fedora is gfxpayload=keep by default
<tzimmermann> it's keep
<javierm> tzimmermann: Ok, it's not that then. Because I thought that maybe changing what was set by the firmware could cause issues
<tzimmermann> and grub on uefi uses whatever resolution the system provides, i think
<tzimmermann> the worst thing is that simpledrm doesn't start because the framebuffer is garbage
<javierm> tzimmermann: yes, they do. But wasn't sure what would be the behaviour if you tried to pass a different mode to the kernel
<tzimmermann> but that's not the case here
<tzimmermann> someone linked another screenshot at https://imgur.com/a/s4dF3BE
<tzimmermann> you can see that the kernel continued booting for a bit
<javierm> tzimmermann: yeah, I saw that too but couldn't get much from it
<javierm> tzimmermann: another thing that they could try is fbcon=map:1
<javierm> and cat /proc/fb if they can access the machine
<javierm> because I wonder if is missing a drm_aperture_remove_conflicting_pci_framebuffers() or something
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<tzimmermann> 5.16 has aperture helpers already
<tzimmermann> there's even _remove_framebuffers(). so they should all be gone
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<javierm> tzimmermann: yes, I meant that maybe some drivers were not calling the helper to remove the conflicting framebuffers
<javierm> because the behaviour they are describing is what users reported with aarch64 machines that didn't
<tzimmermann> i though this. but it's amd and intel hardware AFAICT
<tzimmermann> these drivers do
<tzimmermann> it looks like the handover fails
<tzimmermann> javierm, thanks for taking a look at the bugreport.
<javierm> tzimmermann: yeah. I'm not familiar with those drivers but thought that maybe there were some code paths or variants that didn't call it
<javierm> tzimmermann: you are welcome. Please let me know how it goes since I'm also interested for Fedora
<tzimmermann> i'll do
<javierm> tzimmermann: thanks a lot
<vsyrjala> anyone have a moment to read through https://patchwork.freedesktop.org/series/99891/ ?
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<mripard> vsyrjala: a-b me for both patches
<vsyrjala> thanks
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<vsyrjala> looks like i have another pending doc fix here https://patchwork.freedesktop.org/series/99648/
<javierm> vsyrjala: patch looks good to me, but maybe while there you can expand in the return section that MODE_OK is returned on success and MODE_VIRTUAL_{X,Y} if the mode passed is bigger than max width/height ?
<javierm> vsyrjala: I actually had to look what MODE_VIRTUAL_* even meant since wasn't evident from the macro name
<vsyrjala> it means whatever that function does. dunno if i can put it any more clear than that ;)
<vsyrjala> in general i don't think it's useful to docuement all the possible mode statuses that the various mode validation functions can return
<vsyrjala> we'd just end up listing them all more or less (except the ones that aren't actually used)
<vsyrjala> the only thing that really matters is whether a mode is ok or not
<vsyrjala> the rest is there just to give some hint in the logs what went wrong
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<javierm> vsyrjala: fair. I would include something like https://paste.centos.org/view/raw/3cc0d1d8
<javierm> it's useful if you are looking at the kernel docs and don't want to go and look at the code
<javierm> vsyrjala: but up to you, feel free to add my r-b to that patch
<vsyrjala> like i said, i don't think anyone really cares about the specific values that are returned. or at least they shouldn't care
<javierm> vsyrjala: wonder why the functions just doesn't return a boolean then :)
<vsyrjala> to get the reason into the log for debugging purposes
<javierm> vsyrjala: but to do that you should know what possible values are returned and either is documented in the kernel doc or need to look at the code
<javierm> anyways, was just an opinion
<vsyrjala> you can't rely on docs for that. most of the errors come from driver mode validation hooks
<javierm> vsyrjala: right
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<hakzsam> I'm trying to make a new libdrm release but I get this error with modular/release.sh "Error: the path "/srv/dri.freedesktop.org/www/libdrm" on the web server does not exist.", any ideas?
<emersion> hakzsam: missing permissions maybe?
<hakzsam> yeah, I wasn't using the correct SSH key for annarchy
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<hakzsam> done, hopefully everyting is fine
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<swick> does anyone know why DDC/CI is not implemented as part of drm?
<swick> it looks like drivers already create an i2c device for DDC/CI but then nothing happens with it
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<vsyrjala> ajax might know
<pq> swick, do you have an idea why it should be? If it works via i2c UAPI, why bother?
<pq> maybe to reliably tell which i2c device is which monitor at the end of a specific connector?
<vsyrjala> that needs some kind of extra thingy that has direct access to do anything on the ddc bus. not super great imo
<pq> oh, permissions
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<vsyrjala> also wouldn't it be nice if all display control happened through a unified inteface *cough* backlight *cough*
<pq> yeah, tying that to the DRM master concept would be nice.
<emersion> backlight ;_;
<pq> sure, sure, but then people can't have their ad hoc scripts automatically blinking the backlight :-p We're taking away their freeedoooms! Especially with Wayland. :-x
<vsyrjala> dont worry. systemd will clobber it regardless :P
<linkmauve> I once tried to fix libbacklight in Weston, then gave up.
<linkmauve> I have no idea how it ever worked, but matching the connector name to the PCI name in sysfs was kind of impossible.
<linkmauve> (Plus some typical C thing where it assumed it could overwrite a non-null-terminated buffer.)
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<vsyrjala> i must admit i have no idea how any userspace manages to control the backlight these days
<vsyrjala> if i wasn't so busy i might try to trace it
<swick> pq: I mean, you have to manually insert i2c-dev to get access to the device
<swick> and then userspace has to probe all devices
<pq> aha
<pq> I didn't realize the manual loading
<pq> is that why I never see anything with ddcutil :-P
<swick> drm already knows the i2c bus is for DDC/CI and that it sits at the specific address
<pq> and doesn't expose that via sysfs?
<swick> well, it exposes the i2c bus in sysfs but that's useless
<pq> does it not tell you which i2c device to open?
<swick> there is no i2c device
<pq> oh, the bus, not the device on the bus
<swick> yes
<pq> so it's only missing the device address in sysfs?
<pq> but that doesn't solve any of the permission issues anyway
<swick> no, the i2c DDC/CI device is at a fixed address of the bus but linux doesn't expose a way to talk to anything on that bus
<swick> except if you manually load i2c-dev
<swick> all I really want is a sysfs interface for the, like 3 functions DDC/CI exposes
<swick> and tie that in with e.g. backlight
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<pq> I wonder if it should be DRM/KMS ioctl instead...
<vsyrjala> ddc/ci is also a bit of a disaster hw wise. i have some monitors that don't even work reliably at the 100kHz default i2c speed. and apparently clock stretching is an alien concept to them
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<vsyrjala> i was at one point pondering just slowing down the i2c bus speed automagically in the kernel when talking to the ddc/ci address
<vsyrjala> but not all dp->whatever dongles even let you control that, so it's no a 100% reliable soluton either
<swick> I'm aware that *something* about DDC/CI is really not reliable
<swick> the implementation of the specific DDC/CI commands is sometimes really broken
<swick> other commands just seem to result in some weird bus error
<swick> but as long as it's not exposed to user space nobody cares and DDC/CI stays really broken
<swick> with a bit of work it might become a little less broken :)
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<vsyrjala> step 1. dig up ajax's old patches, step 2. get the ddcutil maintainer involved, step 3. get buried under a massive bikeshed
<swick> which does even more than what I want it to do
<mripard> daniels: thanks for stepping in the lsdc discussion
<daniels> mripard: thanks for fighting the good fight :)
<mripard> apparently that fight is exhausting :)
<daniels> I literally forgot I'd sent that, and had to go back and check what it was ...
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<jekstrand> anholt: That's fair. I just noticed as I was digging throuh stuff to write a blog post and some docs.
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<agd5f> swick, IIRC, DDC/CI was completely vendor specific. I'm not sure if there is are standard properties.
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<vsyrjala> i'm just waiting for each monitor to come with its own android/iphone app for brightness adjustment
<vsyrjala> who am i kidding. that's probably a thing already
<alyssa> there's a crapp for that
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<vsyrjala> just the one? i was expecting every monitor model to have its own
<vsyrjala> though given how bad the controls are on many monitors that might even be an improvement in usability
* vsyrjala just wants a few big rotating knobs
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<swick> agd5f: pretty sure it's not
<swick> "VESA Monitor Control Command Set Standard" defines the VCP codes and there is also required ones
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<DrNick> DDC/CI has a DPMS property that can be set to on or standby and it'd be nice if desktop screen locking used that instead of the current "slow fade to black that mysterious doesn't effect the full brightness mouse cursor, giant multi-second monitor warning that there is no signal, finally dpms standby" sequence
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<vsyrjala> proper gpu and DP connection could in theory fix both issues ;)
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<DrNick> nah, they DRM outputs have ddc symlinks to the i2c device in sysfs, mutter could do it right now
<vsyrjala> sure. and at the same time you also give it permission to attempt overwriting your edid eeprom
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<swick> DrNick: there is no i2c device, there is a i2c bus in sysfs that the connectors have a symlink to
<swick> so no, it can't
<DrNick> the i2c bus is the device
<swick> in that case I'm confused
<DrNick> you know which i2c bus is associated with which connector therefore you can send commands to the appropriate monitor
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<swick> except you can't send any commands because there is no linux device, no sysfs or anything else to talk to i2c devices on the i2c bus
<swick> except if you manually modprobe i2c-dev
<swick> is that what you mean?
<DrNick> I'm looking at gddccontrol right now and could turn off my monitor with a click of a button
<DrNick> so I really don't understand your complaint
<DrNick> and I have never manually modprobed anything
<swick> Following configuration is needed to allow non-root user to use gddccontrol: … sudo /bin/sh -c 'echo i2c-dev >> /etc/modules'
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<DrNick> not on Fedora
<swick> maybe that was done automatically by your distro package or whatever
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<swick> but i2c-dev is a hack, i2c is a bus and on the bus is the DDC/CI device and there should be a driver for DDC/CI devices
<DrNick> why?
<DrNick> it was done by a module-load.d dropfile from the ddccontrol package, btw
<swick> every package which uses ddcci must put the file there, if the app installation process has no root it can't
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<idr> airlied: Crap... I forgot about that. I'll work on that today.
<idr> Sorry for the delay.
<idr> (the step fix)
<airlied> zmike: I split the fence leak out into 15046
<zmike> so I see
<idr> I opened issue #6047 for tracking.
<idr> And to keep my notes.
<idr> Arg...
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<idr> airlied: What SHA of the CTS are you using? That test passes on lvp here with cts=da833b587 and mesa=9dd15295e30.
<airlied> idr: a3338eb2ded98b5befda64f9325db0d219095a00
<idr> Using NIR_DEBUG=print, I see the "vec3 16 ssa_75 = slt! ssa_245, ssa_244" is eventually removed by nir_opt_algebraic... as intended. :(
<airlied> but I think anholt also saw this as well
<airlied> idr: oh did your commit 38800b385c6b4752ec1a91db5b8a7de149d03d0c fix it?
<airlied> but that was in what I tested
<airlied> let me reproduce it
<airlied> idr: got a debug build or mesa?
<idr> airlied: 38800b385c6 is before 75ef5991f5a.
<airlied> idr: I accidentally ran it on radv, it also fails in the backend there due to lack of slt
<airlied> Test case 'dEQP-VK.spirv_assembly.instruction.compute.float16.arithmetic_3.step'..
<airlied> deqp-vk: ../src/gallium/auxiliary/gallivm/lp_bld_nir.c:1068: do_alu_action: Assertion `0' failed.
<airlied> mesa master and cts above
<idr> Hm...
<airlied> idr: got the write ICD set?
<airlied> right ICD
<anholt> (when in doubt, double-check your dEQP-VK.info.*)
<idr> I'm still rebuilding CTS. I forgot I had to fetch_sources again, so it just got started building.
<airlied> zmike: wierdly didn't fix any asan ci jobs
<zmike> airlied: unsurprising
<zmike> I didn't have any issues with it either
<zmike> some of that deep grime
<airlied> zmike: I also wondered why barriers weren't being sufficient for those fencing cases, will maybe dig in a bit further
<zmike> airlied: I'm not gonna block on that, I just wanted to raise it since it seemed obviously wrong
<zmike> not sure how much perf it'd be costing
<zmike> if any
<idr> What the... ?
<idr> ../external/vulkancts/framework/vulkan/vkDefs.hpp:80:10: fatal error: vkHandleType.inl: No such file or directory
<zmike> gotta fetch_sources
<idr> I did. :(
<zmike> fetch harder
<zmike> also update kc if you have that
* zmike has gotten this error many times recently
<idr> kc?
<zmike> confidential
<zmike> sometimes causes weird compile errors
<zmike> (but only if you already have it)
<idr> I shouldn't have that for Vulkan CTS. That's just for desktop GL.
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<zmike> I build both so I get all the problems
<zmike> usually I get that one resolved from regular fetch_sources though
<Sachiel> make sure fetch_sources is working and not erroring out, and if it is because of tags, add --force to it
<vsyrjala> git clean ftw?
<idr> airlied: That CTS SHA you gave me is on the GL 4.6.0 CTS branch.
<idr> No wonder I'm having problems with Vulkan CTS build.
<airlied> a3338eb2ded98b5befda64f9325db0d219095a00 is on master here for me
* airlied is moving to VK-GL-CTS master
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<airlied> idr: reproduced with 2d1377ec02b5b46a1cd946c5a27fa4a8f9e1e1f5 which is current public cts master
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<idr> WTF? That that same SHA... it passes here.
<idr> And I know I'm on the right driver because I see, "WARNING: lavapipe is not a conformant vulkan implementation, testing use only."
<idr> Or at least, I know it's on lvp.
<idr> Yeah... def the right version too.
<idr> For giggles, I commented out the line in nir_opt_algebraic that lowers slt, and then I can get the assertion failure.
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<idr> Here's the NIR_PRINT=debug output from a normal Mesa build: https://people.freedesktop.org/~idr/good.txt
<idr> And here's the output with the SLT lowering disabled: https://people.freedesktop.org/~idr/bad.txt
<idr> My Mesa builds are -O0 full-debug.
* idr tries optimized debug...
<airlied> idr: https://paste.centos.org/view/2785dbb7 is my NIR_DEBUG=print output
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<idr> airlied: Maybe something different in our build flags?
<idr> Here's all of everything from my Mesa build config:
<idr> CFLAGS="-pipe -Wall -Wextra -Wunsafe-loop-optimizations -Werror=format-security -Wno-sign-compare -Wimplicit-fallthrough=0 -Wno-unused-parameter -Og -mno-omit-leaf-frame-pointer -ggdb3 -m64 -march=nocona -mtune=generic -msahf -mcx16 --param l1-cache-line-size=64 -Wno-missing-field-initializers"
<idr> CXXFLAGS="-pipe -Wall -Wextra -Wunsafe-loop-optimizations -Werror=format-security -Wno-sign-compare -Wimplicit-fallthrough=0 -Wno-unused-parameter -Og -mno-omit-leaf-frame-pointer -ggdb3 -m64 -march=nocona -mtune=generic -msahf -mcx16 --param l1-cache-line-size=64 -Wno-missing-field-initializers"
<idr> meson --prefix=/home/idr/devel/graphics/Mesa/BUILD/debug-64 -D buildtype=plain -D platforms=x11,wayland -D dri-drivers= -D llvm=enabled -D gallium-drivers=radeonsi,r300,r600,nouveau,freedreno,swrast,v3d,vc4,etnaviv,i915,virgl,panfrost,iris,lima,zink,d3d12,asahi,crocus -D gallium-xvmc=false -D gallium-omx=disabled -D gallium-va=false -D vulkan-drivers=amd,broadcom,freedreno,intel,panfrost,swrast -D glx=dri -D egl=true -D shared-glapi=enable
<idr> d -D gles1=enabled -D gles2=enabled -D opengl=true -D build-tests=true -D tools=drm-shim,intel -D b_ndebug=false ../SOURCE/master debug-64.build
<idr> That's my optimized debugging build... which had the same result as the -O0 debug build.
<airlied> ls
<airlied> oops
<airlied> idr: wierd diffing our nir prints shows my algebraic operating differently than yours
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<airlied> vec3 16 ssa_245 = vec3 ssa_60.x, ssa_61.y, ssa_71.x vec3 16 ssa_245 = vec3 ssa_60.x, ssa_61.y, ssa_71.x
<airlied> vec3 16 ssa_75 = slt! ssa_245, ssa_244 | vec3 1 ssa_250 = flt! ssa_245, ssa_244
<airlied> > vec3 16 ssa_251 = b2f16! ssa_250
<airlied> vec1 16 ssa_76 = load_const (0x3c00 = 1.000000) vec1 16 ssa_76 = load_const (0x3c00 = 1.000000)
<airlied> vec3 16 ssa_248 = fneg ssa_75 | vec3 16 ssa_248 = fneg ssa_251
<airlied> oops
<airlied> idr: my build flags are just out of the box meson configure --buildtype=debug
* airlied has to go car service, will see if I can tease it out a bit more later
<airlied> idr: probably need to diff our outputs from algebraic.py somehow
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<dj-death> any nir_deref expert around?
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<idr> airlied: So... your output is identical to my bad.txt experiment... when I commented out the slt lowering in nir_opt_algebraic.
<idr> I'm rebuilding from scratch with your config.
<idr> This is truly bizarre.
<dj-death> wondering how to write a thing that takes a deref to struct and cast it to a smaller like vec4 at offset 4 in that struct
<idr> airlied: Still passes here. :(
<idr> Cripes! nir_opt_algebraic.c is 11MB!
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<idr> That's from mesa=9dd15295e30.
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<airlied> idr: woah, I nuked my nir_opt_algebraic.c and it seems to work now
<airlied> I wonder if it's a meson or ccache bug somewhere
<idr> That is part of the reason I have done out of tree builds for years... and my "make clean" is "rm -rf builddir".
<idr> I bet I know what it is.
* airlied is out of tree, but yeah I try to avoid nuking my builddir that often
<idr> When nir_opcodes.py got changed (in the commit you referenced earlier), nir_opt_algebraic.py didn't get re-run.
<airlied> but I switched between debug/debugopt a few times, so normally that causes things
<airlied> but it does look like the rules around opt algebraic are wrong
<idr> anholt: If you have a non-working build, can you try touching nir_opt_algebraic.py to see if that fixes it?
<jekstrand> Are we missing a build dep on nir_opcodes.py? nir_algebraic.py does use it...
* jekstrand wishes meson had a better story for python build tool dependencies.
<anholt> opt_algebraic.c does depend on nir_algebraic.py and nir_opt_algebraic.py
<anholt> (at least, I think an input implicitly depends on it as a file... do we need a files()?)
<jekstrand> python deps are wonky. There's no magic in heritance based on imports.
<anholt> I know, I'm only talking about meson.build here
<jekstrand> This is why we should convert all our codegen to Rust. That solves all problems, or so I'm told. :-P
<anholt> idr: touch **/nir_opt_algebraic.py ; ninja -C build -v shows it being recreated, as expected.
<idr> anholt: And that fixes dEQP-VK.spirv_assembly.instruction.compute.float16.arithmetic_3.step on lvp?
* idr crosses his fingers...
<anholt> I'm not reproducing the fail today
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<idr> Software is hard. Let's go shopping.
* airlied is getting my car serviced, not as enjoyable as shopping
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<ngcortes> heads up everybody, I'm gonna take intel mesa CI offline for just a few minutes to point to a new repo on internal github
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<HdkR> I would love if some build system had a dependency tracking mode where it ptraces and watches files getting opened to generate some usage map :D
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<bnieuwenhuizen> HdkR: you mean like https://gittup.org/tup/ ?
<bnieuwenhuizen> also stuff like Bazel does the opposite: complain loudly if a rule uses a dependency that is not declared
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<HdkR> bnieuwenhuizen: Is bazel able to see something like a python script pulling in external data that the build system doesn't see though?
<bnieuwenhuizen> yes
<HdkR> huh
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<HdkR> oh! Very cute
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<HdkR> Gimme that in meson and cmake so it can find my errors :D
<bnieuwenhuizen> seriously, if bazel had a decent "configure" like facility a might even be advocating for it. For now it mostly is only a good fit for hermetic-like builds
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