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* alyssa wonders if we should have perf_debug for vbuf
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<mareko> alyssa: what for?
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<jekstrand> karolherbst: I don't remember exactly how it all works out for gallium drivers. We want to map indices in the shader (whether through variables or direct indices) to indices in the arrays of samplers, images, and textures bound through the gallium API.
<alyssa> mareko: We have a PAN_MESA_DEBUG=perf option that will print warnings when hitting fallback paths, flushing prematurely, etc
<alyssa> coarse indication of why something might be slow
<alyssa> If vbuf were part of my driver, I'd have a perf_debug in the fallback draw_vbo
<alyssa> to alert me that an app might be slowed due to vbuf translation, but maybe if I tweaked something in my driver I could get avoid the fallback
<alyssa> (As a cheap hack alternative, I inserted a pile of printfs into vbuf which alerted me to Firefox falling back due to me setting the wrong alignment CAPs.)
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<alyssa> similarly for "a vertex format is being emulated, maybe you could support it natively and you just forgot?"
<alyssa> (Or you didn't wire it up because you didn't think anything but the CTS would ever use it.)
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<karolherbst> jekstrand: yeah... it's all a bit of a mess, especially as you can have samplers within structs as well
<karolherbst> anyway.. for now I'll treat driver_location as the position inside the kernel input buffer and binding as the actual binding pointer (for images it would be the index emited in case we have indirects)
<karolherbst> I fixed the cl lowering pass for that already anyway
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<rsalvaterra> Hi, everyone. So, today's oibaf's mesa build makes hasvk crap out when running vulkaninfo: https://paste.debian.net/1259036/
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<dj-death> rsalvaterra: are you able to get a backtrace?
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<danvet> jlawryno, maybe cross review with gna at least?
<danvet> there's also the quic driver from qualcom, but that's missing userspace
<jlawryno> ok
<jlawryno> there are actually some reviews coming in
<danvet> ah cool
<danvet> otherwise also pinging drm-misc maintainers here for what you can review in turn, they're mlankhorst mripard tzimmermann
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<jlawryno> ok, cool
<danvet> also I need to drag oded on here :-)
<jlawryno> Thomas is already reviewing the patchset
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<jlawryno> we can contribute some manpower to review drm-devel
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<tzimmermann> jlawryno, am i?
<tzimmermann> oh, the accalerator patches. yes i left some comments
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<danvet> jlawryno, one of the other pure accel/render drivers might be best candidates, like panfrost or v3d if such patches are floating around
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<rsalvaterra> dj-death: Not really, that's all output I get.
<jlawryno> ok, we will review patchsets for qaic/gna and floating patches for panfrost, v3d and anything that is not too 3d/display oriented
<jlawryno> tzimmermann: are you planning to review some more?
<dj-death> rsalvaterra: please file an issue
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<tzimmermann> jlawryno, i'll take another look at the patches tomorrow. but most seems to be hardware related. i cannot really comment on that
<jlawryno> you know, it's a driver LOL
<jlawryno> but seriously your feedback has been very useful
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<tzimmermann> you're welcome
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<alyssa> jlawryno: hardware specific code in YOUR driver? likelier than you would think
<ccr> :O
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<DottorLeo> hi!
<DottorLeo> karolherbst, an hypotetical question: when rustcl will be enough complete with features, a user can theoretically mix and match different drivers, like for example using an Intel (iris) device together with a radeonsi device?
<karolherbst> DottorLeo: yep
<karolherbst> that's already implemented and works
<DottorLeo> and to the extreme... an iris+radeonsi+r600+noveau? :D
<karolherbst> sure
<DottorLeo> yeah it's silly but theoretically :D
<DottorLeo> wow
<karolherbst> throw in llvmpipe as well
<karolherbst> :P
<DottorLeo> damn i have a haswell+polaris+tahiti ready to test :D
<DottorLeo> did you tried rusticl with John the ripper?
<karolherbst> not yet
<karolherbst> do they actually do CL encoding?
<DottorLeo> it's a crypto password breaking, i remember that i've tried it on windows to see how much hash i can do with my card
<DottorLeo> Phoronix uses it on their test
<DottorLeo> but it has also an opencl implementation
<jenatali> karolherbst: How do you migrate mem contents from one device to the other?
<karolherbst> jenatali: you don't have to?
<karolherbst> each cl_mem has it's device private version
<jenatali> If you create a context with multiple devices, a queue on each, you can use a single mem object on multiple queues
<karolherbst> sure
<karolherbst> but each device sees its own version
<karolherbst> there is no req to sync the content afaik
<jenatali> The contents are supposed to be coherent I thought
<karolherbst> maybe I messed up, but that's not what needs to be done I'm sure
<jenatali> Hmmm I'll have to find the spec wording that made me think I had to do that
<DottorLeo> karolherbst, also BOINC has a lot of projects with OpenCL enabled binaries
<karolherbst> it's different with host ptrs obviously
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<karolherbst> jenatali: I mean.. you can only read out mem buffers on a queue anyway...
<jenatali> Yeah I'll browse the spec
<karolherbst> |When global memory is manipulated by multiple kernel-instances running on multiple devices, the OpenCL runtime system must manage the association of memory objects with a given device. In most cases the OpenCL runtime will implicitly associate a memory object with a device. A kernel instance is naturally associated with the command queue to which the kernel was submitted. Since a command-queue can only access a single device, the queue
<karolherbst> uniquely defines which device is involved with any given kernel-instance; hence defining a clear association between memory objects, kernel-instances and devices. Programmers may anticipate these associations in their programs and explicitly manage association of memory objects with devices in order to improve performance.|
<jenatali> I implemented it and it was a pain and if I can delete it that'd be nice
<karolherbst> mhhhh
<karolherbst> though I am curious if reads/writes actually have to be synced.. that would be pain
<jenatali> Right there's an explicit migrate command, but that's only an optimization IIRC
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<jenatali> Not in front of a PC atm so spec browsing is tricky, will find it in a bit
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<karolherbst> uhhh.. maybe I should check if I actually pass all those multi device CTS tests...
<jenatali> I know my migrate code gets hit there
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<jenatali> Multi-device and printf were the two things I thought I was going to punt on but ended up implementing
<karolherbst> mhhh....
<karolherbst> guess I should take a look and see what the CTS is testing here..
<DottorLeo> karolherbst, why zink is supporting Rustcl? I thought that Zink is a traslation layer for OpenGL->Vulkan
<karolherbst> yeah well.. now it can also translates CL to vulkan
<DottorLeo> it's for OGL/CL interop?
<DottorLeo> ah ok!
<vsyrjala> isn't it more gallium->vulkan?
<jenatali> Typically, memory objects are implicitly migrated to a device for which enqueued commands, using the memory object, are targeted.
<jenatali> That sounds pretty clearly like contents need to be maintained in multi-device usage
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<karolherbst> sad :'(
<jenatali> Yeah
<karolherbst> guess I'm wrong and rusticl is broken then
<karolherbst> oh well...
<karolherbst> shouldn't be terribly hard to fix
<karolherbst> just need to sync up the pipe_resources between devices
<jenatali> That's the main reason I was surprised when you said you already did multi-device, that was pretty tricky for me to get right
<jenatali> That and the fact that you can compile a program with different args for different devices... that's just stupid
<karolherbst> yeah...
<karolherbst> the latter part I've implemented correctly tho
<karolherbst> each device has its own spirv
<karolherbst> and so on
<karolherbst> so I really just miss syncing up the memory..mhhh
<jenatali> Yeah. I also did an optimization for the case where you use the same args for all devices
<karolherbst> ehhh...
<karolherbst> yeah.. dunno.. I might add that later once it becomes an issue
<jenatali> Fair
<karolherbst> not really caring about that little RAM wasted :D
<karolherbst> I have bigger perf issues anyway
<alyssa> i feel like if you have multiple devices you can waste a little ram :p
<jenatali> Fair. I was more trying to avoid the Clang cost
<karolherbst> I do wonder though.. do I only need to track with resource/device has the live content and deal with that once a different device uses the same cl_mem object or is there more to it?
<karolherbst> I mean.. given how gallium works atm, I'll probably have to go through the CPU for this anyway, but....
<karolherbst> doesn't sound too painful
<karolherbst> mhh.. though I only need to update if it's actually written to, like what if one device writes and the others only read...
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<jenatali> karolherbst: Yeah that's all I do, each mem has a current active device, and when it's used somewhere else I migrate the contents
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<jenatali> And yeah that's true, but can you know that?
<karolherbst> yeah, you can
<jenatali> I guess if the mem is bound as a readonly image, or as a constant arg, yeah
<karolherbst> if the cl_mem is only bound as constant mem and never written to by the API
<karolherbst> yep
<jenatali> Good point. Filing an issue on myself to allow simultaneous readers across multiple devices
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<alyssa> jenatali: rusticl12 when
<alyssa> errr RusticlOn12?
<jenatali> Dunno
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<karolherbst> let's get zink done first :D
<karolherbst> but yeah.. i suspect I'll have tons of random weirdo little bugs around
<jenatali> I realized I'm a little less inclined just because I don't think I'd be able to use a single build for both GL and Rusticl, since I don't think an MSVC solution can have Rust code in it...
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<alyssa> i thought Microsoft <3 Rust now
<karolherbst> :'(
<jenatali> Yeah parts of it
<jenatali> We actually have Rust code in the Windows source tree :O
<jenatali> And we'd talked about adopting gfx-rs instead of buliding dzn
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<karolherbst> huh...
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<jenatali> But yeah it's not a non-starter, it's just not where I'm focusing time right now
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<mareko> alyssa: if this is about translate, it's also used when indices have to be unrolled due to the vertex count being far less than max_index-min_index, and that's a case where translate is the fast path
<mareko> alyssa: a perf option would be fine
<mareko> alyssa: I would just generally recommend emulating all vertex formats in the vertex shader instead of on the CPU
<mareko> that would just be an increase in the shader key for you
<daniels> jenatali: dzn RiiR!
<alyssa> mareko: It's less "I've looked at this vertex format and decided I should emulate it on the CPU" and more "I have native hw for this format but I forgot to return true for is_format_supported, whoops" but yeah
<alyssa> (For Mali, which supports Everything on the older GPUs .... For Apple yeah we need to emulate piles of formats with shader keys, it's a todo.)
<bl4ckb0ne> anybody available for a new egl ext review pls? https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/18011/diffs
<bl4ckb0ne> small diff, ext has been review already
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<gawin> mareko: I need to implement pcoords/texcoords in r300 (some nir passes are buggy without), I've tried to map it similar to others in r300_shader_semantics (pos, psize, color, bcolor...) doesn't work. am I missing something here?
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<illwieckz> airlied, do you have any comment on the second commit of https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/19290 ?
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<airlied> jekstrand, karolherbst : have you considered or plans for nir debuginfo metadata?
<airlied> I think being able to produce dwarf debugging info might be something at least a CPU impl of cl would like
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<karolherbst> I didn't but I think that would require reworking a lot of nir passes.. probably
<lstrano> airlied: not specifically dwarf info, but there is an MR open for NIR that propagates source location at least (MR 18903)
<rodrigovivi> jani: danvet: iirc we need an ack from either of you to get a patch to dim merged right? I couldn't find where this was written, but it is what I remember of the rules...
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<danvet> rodrigovivi, yeah I think that's still the deal ...
<danvet> or at least we two are still listed in MAINTAINERS.rst
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<danvet> rodrigovivi, maybe do a branch_to_repo and check it's intel?
<danvet> to also catch topic branches
<danvet> note repo, not remote, since remote might be some local thing which is different potentially, repo should be the drm-intel name from the integration manifest
<danvet> rodrigovivi, either way a-b: me on the concept, makes sense :-)
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<mareko> gawin: I think you need to add texcoord and pcoord and completely new varyings next to generic
<mareko> *and=as
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<bnieuwenhuizen> airlied: are you aware of https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/18903 ?
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<jekstrand> airlied: There's an MR proposing something.
<jekstrand> airlied: One of the Valve guys is working on it. I've not seen it cross my e-mail for a bit.
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<jenatali> The label maker is working :O
<jenatali> Which reminded me to MR some Microsoft/Windows labels to it :)
<daniels> jenatali: MR it then ping me to rebuild the container
<jenatali> MR is out but I don't have permissions to merge it (I think)
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<daniels> merged and deployed
<jenatali> \o/ and I got !1 lol
<daniels> it is satisfying that a very low-power menial automation bot has uid 68000
<jenatali> I did see that, I agree