11:28 <karlp> heh, just got asked by a customer, "we see you are using allwinner parts, as they're chinese, aren't you concerned about backdoors and gpl violations?" "umm, no? we don't use their software, linux-sunxi all the way baby!"

11:33 <buZz> rofl

11:34 <buZz> 'backdoors? ha, its not made in US'

11:45 <karlp> backdoors for me, not for thee and all that, yeah

11:46 <karlp> nah, it was just "really? you think we're using vendor BSP? "

12:04 <buZz> karlp: as if people who ask such questions know about the difference

12:17 <karlp> eh, honestly, I'm actually impressed they had enough clue to even reference the 3.4 backdoor

12:27 <apritzel> though there are still a huge number of people that just stick with the BSP, because that's officially vendor provided. And that includes many board vendors, who should know better

12:28 <apritzel> and because no one from the commercial side cares enough about OpenSource, you practically have no other choice for new SoCs

12:31 <HackerKkillinghisLGA775cpuPent> yeah

12:32 <gamiee> apritzel: to be honest, I tried quite a few BSPs so far, but nothing worked that well and wasn't PITA, than mainline support for AW H3

12:45 <karlp> I don't even know where I would get a BSP from, I'm not a big enough customer :)

12:46 <HackerKkillinghisLGA775cpuPent> karlp: board vendors

12:46 <HackerKkillinghisLGA775cpuPent> some board vendors will give u this

12:46 <karlp> yeah, I mean, like this https://github.com/friendlyarm/h3_lichee

12:46 <karlp> but. wow, as if I'd ever want to build based on that?!

12:47 <karlp> what build environment would you be working in where that was even considered useful for sunxi?

12:47 <karlp> yocto/openwrt both have native sunxi, buildroot,

12:48 <buZz> karlp: maybe they needed ubuntu14

12:48 <buZz> :P

13:10 <grming> Hi to all, Im trying to make my own board with the V3s chip and I wanna some references to make connections with the Ethernet. In some pdf I can see resistors and caps are connected between TX+ TX- RX+ RX-to Vcc and Gnd and in others pdf I also see that this resistors are not needed. Which one are correct?

13:12 <buZz> likely there's ethernet magnetics that include those resistors and caps

13:33 <grming> I use the HR913550A which includes this magnetics