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<nick[m]1234>
@dango
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<hitech95>
jow: ping
<stintel>
too bad, the u6lr is not connected
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<rsalvaterra>
stintel: No 2.5 GbE? :/
<stintel>
rsalvaterra: cable unplugged so can't try
<rsalvaterra>
Ah, it's both working and non-working, then. Schrödinger's net. :)
<PaulFertser>
I think what's most important is to wish stintel the fastest and fullest recovery and nice winter trip that was planned.
<stintel>
thanks, already feeling much better, can probably leave hospital tomorrow
<stintel>
btw I did not crash the car, some people were assuming this was the reason for me being here :P
<PaulFertser>
Yes, you'd be in a hospital that close it your home in that case. Or at least that would be unlikely.
<PaulFertser>
I've read many times that near the end of a ride the utmost care should be taken though, many accidents happen when you're "almost there".
<rsalvaterra>
stintel: I confess it was the first thing that came to my mind, when you told me you were in the hospital, yes. ;)
<stintel>
PaulFertser: ack almost there can be very dangerous
<stintel>
rsalvaterra: I'd never forgive myself
<rsalvaterra>
stintel: Don't say that. Accidents do happen, you know? And lots of times, they're not our fault. :/
<stintel>
proper anticipation gets you very far, but yes there is always wrong place wrong time
<rsalvaterra>
Hope for the breast, prepare for the wurst. :)
<stintel>
:p
<stintel>
ok nap time
<rsalvaterra>
Sleep well, mate! :)
<stintel>
tha
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<rsalvaterra>
Oh, I just read that Google will start crippling their OnHub routers soon… and I'm surprised they're not supported in OpenWrt, how odd. Nobody cared? :P
<rsalvaterra>
Pretty standard IPQ8064 platform, it seems.
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<hitech95>
what is the official approach to suggest a change a couple of parameters in UCI? We have implemented PD hint in odhcp6c and right now we are using the same field of the pd length. We are wondering how to move with UCI and then with LUCI.
<Tapper>
Was using a old wrd3600 with openwrt on it but I need more ports now.
<rsalvaterra>
Ironically, the switch inside the WDR3600 is way smarter. :)
<Tapper>
Will that mater if I am not using Vlans and things like that?
<Tapper>
matter*
<rsalvaterra>
Nah, not at all.
<Tapper>
cool
<Tapper>
I don't have to bother updating a dumb switch.
<Tapper>
Rite now as i have it set up now. I have 4 routers to keep up to date. Now I will have just the 2
<Tapper>
mane router and my AP
<Tapper>
Going to put the 2 wdr3600 on ebay with openwrt on it. It is a shame there is no hacker places around were I live.
<Tapper>
Or I would give them away.
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<neggles>
a lot of those dumb switches can be made vaguely smart by shoving a microcontroller in there
<neggles>
but it's so very not worth the effort
<neggles>
or neccessary
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<Tapper>
OK people I got my switch and set it up. I don't get full speed from it but it is not that bad.
<Tapper>
From my mane router I get 175 dowm with SQM and from the switch I am getting about 117
<Tapper>
It's OK tho because it is for the AP at the top of the house and some computers the kids use.
<Tapper>
Plus 3 smart tvs
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<stintel>
alright, fixed the U6LR via remote hands :D
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<slh>
rsalvaterra: the google onhub routers from Asus and TP-Link seem to be mostly US-only, I had them on my potential-buy list for a long time, but never saw a used specimen on the market -- as we've seen with the ipq40xx based google wifi, the google firmware might differ quite a lot on those devices though - and there is a remaining risk that they've enabled secure boot (see Norton Core)
<rsalvaterra>
slh: Well, looking at their "features", they seem like GDPR bait, so that's probably why we never saw them this side of the pond. :)
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<slh>
yeah, well - I wouldn't have cared too much about the ORM firmware, but they seem to be pretty much non-existent in Europe
<slh>
OEM*
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<rsalvaterra>
I've seen several of them on eBay at a relatively low price, shipping is usually expensive.
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<slh>
yeah, I totally ignore offers from non-EU countries, shipping costs and customs fun exceed the advantages
<slh>
the 40+ EUR spent on shipping would get me a just-as-good r7800 on the used market locally
<rsalvaterra>
It's actually better since July, *iff* the seller declares the VAT upfront. Otherwise, you have to deal with the customs, and that is always a pain.
<slh>
yeah, big if (and the shipping costs still kill of the temptation)
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<slh>
if it wouldn't be for the shipping costs, I'd immediately buy 2-3 rac1v2k
<slh>
or one of the simpliwan branded apu2 routers (or sophos sg/ xg, etc.)
<rsalvaterra>
The APU2 is really getting long in the tooth, unfortunately… :/
<slh>
yes, not worth recommending - unless the price is right. I wouldn't pay more than ~30-35 EUR (used) for one though
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<rsalvaterra>
I'll eventually have to get a machine capable of doing 500/100 Mb/s with SQM, and the APU2 is definitely not up to the task anymore.
<slh>
yep
<slh>
for me it's 400/200 MBit/s, for now I've solved that with an ivy-bridge celeron 1037u - that one can cope with SQM at 1 GBit/s (tested locally) and won't clock more than 800-1400 MHz on my 400/200 MBit/s line so far - but, 15 watt idle (22-25 watts under full load)
<slh>
hard on the edge of reason
<slh>
but plenty of performance
<rsalvaterra>
slh: Oh, good to know! I was actually wondering what would be the slowest (more power-efficient) CPU capable of doing symmetric 1 Gb/s with SQM. :)
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<slh>
rsalvaterra: baytrail-d Atoms (e.g. pentium J1900) should do it as well
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<rsalvaterra>
Hmm… the J1900 idles at less than half the power, probably a better choice for a router… ;)
<rsalvaterra>
(Less than half the power of the 1037U, of course.)
<slh>
it would be, yes - except for two reasons, baytrail-d stability isn't really great (it likes to freeze up from time to time, known silicon issues switching out of deep sleep states) and I'd have to get a different case to mount a second network card, while the c1037u had two intel 82574L onboard; both passively cooled
<rsalvaterra>
Ouch, that's nasty.
<slh>
apparently it's a mixture of CPU and mainboard misdesign, the power delivery can't keep up fast enough with the changing demands when switching out of c5/ c6
<hitech95>
Take a look on cheap pfsense boxes, those are gnerally fancy!
<hitech95>
but hey comes from china
<slh>
I haven't seen anything that convincing over the last couple of months. yes, the qotom boxes are nice, but in different price range
<Borromini>
slh: has eBay already updated its filters to exclude the UK from the EU? :P
<slh>
Borromini: I have no idea, ebay.de still lists many UK offers - I have to filter for EU and/or continental Europe explicitly
<stintel>
I would be interested to know how fast an RTL9313 would do routing between DSA interfaces :)
<Borromini>
:)
<stintel>
but XS1930-12HP is a tad bit expensive to buy just to try things :P
<rsalvaterra>
slh: I just noticed something interesting. Computers (regardless of their size), computer parts, cell phones, etc. are exempt from customs fees, at least here in Portugal. I don't know if it's the same in the whole EU, though. :)
<rsalvaterra>
Intuitively, I'd say "yes", but…
<stintel>
and given STP and even tagged VLAN doesn't seem to work properly on some models yet, I'll hold off on buying for now
<slh>
stintel: rtl93xx development is still in pretty early stages, especially when it comes to the hardware offloading (present in rtl839x and upwards), theoretically is should be quite capable, but it's still a betting game at this point
<slh>
rsalvaterra: what would be news to me, but... would be nice
<hitech95>
Borromini: here in Italy I have a new option in ebay for filtering: Europe (continent), European Union, Italy.
<Borromini>
hitech95: i clicked that, it just shows stuff from china somehow :-/
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<Borromini>
i'm off, goodnight guys.
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<rsalvaterra>
stintel: Does the RTL9313 do L3, or just L2?
<stintel>
rsalvaterra: anything DSA does L3 afaik
<rsalvaterra>
That's cute… the XS1930-12HP manual doesn't mention any L3 capabilities, as far as I remember.
<rsalvaterra>
OpenWrt bonuses. :)
<stintel>
yep
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<hitech95>
how can I discuss a couple of changes with core devs!? I would love to upstream some patches but I'm not sure how to integrate them correctly.
<stintel>
git send-email --subject-prefix "RFC PATCH" or draft PR on gh I'd say
<stintel>
discussion can then be had on ML or PR, or in here referencing to them
<hitech95>
stintel: the fact that I want to discuss how to do something before even creating the final patch. right now I'm using another UCI field with a custom parser on it in odhcp6c. I'm not sure if ity is better to separate the settings into multiple attributes, assemble them back into the final string and then give the parameter to odhcp6c. The thing is also about compatibility with older configs etc. (We have implemented prefix h
<Habbie>
hitech95, you got truncated after (We have ...
<stintel>
hitech95: start a discussion on ML then, I have the impression that irc is getting less active, combined with people having short backlog will probably result in you having to repeat yourself when other devs are active
<hitech95>
In luci we have added custom renders for protocol status, so each protocol could draw something in the UI. since some protocols have different fields etc.
<hitech95>
stintel: I've never used a mailing list before :( Any tips?
<stintel>
it's like sending an email, surely you have done that before
<stintel>
tips: don't HTML
<stintel>
don't toppost when replying
<hitech95>
I've sent once a mail in soc-alsa for a patch it was a nigtmare...
<hitech95>
what is toppost?
<hitech95>
I'm just subscribed to the devel mailinglist
<hitech95>
stintel: so now I can send the email to openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org. How about the subject!? Should I also CC each pkg maintainer or just send the global mail address?
<stintel>
hitech95: was rebooting after a bunch of upgrades, hold on
<hitech95>
stintel: don't warry :D I understand I mostly use windows at work :P
<stintel>
ah this was my gentoo laptop, it's using binpkgs from my workstation, and I recently discovered -D_GLIBCXX_ASSERTIONS can cause problems and slowdowns, so I rebuilt world without it and today finally reinstalled all packages on my laptop
<stintel>
topposting is what outlook does by default, when you reply, answer above the original post
<stintel>
responses should go inline
<stintel>
I was looking for some page that explains it properly
<hitech95>
so I just have to quote the previous sentence and tehn reply below.
<hitech95>
Not sure if it is best practice, but it is really helping with non tcp/udp protocols
<stintel>
well since you already have a commit, it's easy to open a (draft) PR
<hitech95>
yea alkl the commits are mostly ready except one about UCI.
<stintel>
the problem is that we have too many locations for discussing things :)
<stintel>
but it is like that because different people have different preferences
<Habbie>
i have so far gotten away with not even being on the lists
<Habbie>
(which i should change)
<stintel>
but I fear it does not help the project tbh
<hitech95>
stintel: I think that I'll open a draft PR to share the changes. then I'll ask via maillist suggestions on how to properly merge thoose.
<hitech95>
Another example that I want to discuss is since map-t is a tunnel there is a bit of overhead so I had to increase the WAN MTU to 1520.I would love to create a patch that detect the uplink MTU
<hitech95>
then create a iptables MTU rule (not even sure if fw3 allows it) if clamping is needed. But I'm not sure if such thing is a "my" ISP specific case or what not.
<hitech95>
so far I was busy withthe Luci protocol statu rendering...
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<neggles>
J1900 seems like a good idea for a router until you find out it’s got no AES-NI, so VPN performance is… Not Good…
<rsalvaterra>
neggles: No, hadn't seen that at all, nice! :)
<neggles>
they run ChromeOS of all things
<neggles>
and have a developer mode that disables secure boot etc, in a similar fashion to a Chromebook - gotta remove the screw hiding a secret button 😝
<neggles>
ah sorry it lets you sign your own kernel, then disable verification of the rootfs
<neggles>
which is close enough really but a little clunky
<slh>
sadly still not really available in Europe, nor reasonably priced - which makes a kind-of-special device rather unreasonable
<rsalvaterra>
So, it's a type of secure boot.
<rsalvaterra>
But at least you can run your own cod.
<rsalvaterra>
*code
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<neggles>
being able to sign and boot your own kernel is fine, really - it’s not as nice as fully disabling secure boot, but it’ll do
<neggles>
but yeah, they weren’t very long-lived even in the US - sort of the predecessor to the Google Wifi stuff, in a way
<neggles>
that’s why they’re so cheap - interestingly both the TP-Link and ASUS ones have nearly identical specs, so I guess google gave them a ref design and said “make that, in something that looks nice”
<rsalvaterra>
The hardware is rather powerful, though. It's a shame not to extend its life.
<slh>
yep
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<neggles>
agreed
<rsalvaterra>
The worst part is the QCA9880 controllers, but ath10k-ct mitigates most of the pain. :P
<neggles>
I can get one for about 80 AUD inc shipping and taxes… tempted