06:58 <f00b4r0> Mangix: current *has* to flow for an RCD to trip. It's in the name: Residual *Current* Device :)

07:35 <dwfreed> also neutral and ground are generally bonded either at the grounding point or in the main panel

07:42 <f00b4r0> dwfreed: not in all grounding schemes. And I suspect Mangix meant grounded *downstream* of the RCD, which *can* have ill effects (due to possible earth return currents)

07:42 <f00b4r0> :)

07:43 <dwfreed> yeah, if your ground connects to your neutral before the neutral input of the RCD, if there's any current flowing on the hot line, it'll trip

07:44 <f00b4r0> *nod*

07:45 <dwfreed> and having an RCD is a lot better if there's any likely risk of energizing a metal shell or a person

07:45 <f00b4r0> yep

07:45 <dwfreed> even if the metal shell is grounded

08:14 <hell__> RCDs work by measuring the *difference* between the currents going in and out. ideally that difference should be zero (everything that goes in, comes out), otherwise it'll trip

09:56 <Ansuel> actually my trust RCD saved my life at least 4-5 times when I was 10 years old and discovering electricity ehehe

10:09 <f00b4r0> incidentally, I did not need to "discover" it 4-5 times. Once was enough ;)

10:25 <Ansuel> was a big zap i assume

11:41 <robimarko> Well, guess who has no RCD-s at all

11:42 <robimarko> Luckily I have 2 more DIN rail slots to fit one main 300mA one

11:42 <robimarko> And I will get 30mA RCBO to replace the bathroom MCB

11:42 <robimarko> I wish there was space for Type-2 SPD-s as well

17:38 <schmars[m]> anyone aware of an ipq40xx bug where the switch mangles incoming packets, but outgoing packets are still ok? have this fritzbox in a remote location that looks normal (judging from its outgoing traffic) but doesn't respond to anything sent to it

17:39 <Znevna> maybe.. you know, firewall?

17:40 <schmars[m]> nah it's been running fine for month and this morning disappeared from monitoring

17:40 <schmars[m]> i still see multicast traffic coming from it

17:40 <schmars[m]> * i still see ipv6 multicast and ipv4 broadcast traffic coming from it

17:41 <schmars[m]> (sorry i dont know how matrix/irc bridge handles message edits. i meant: i still see ipv6 multicast and ipv4 broadcast coming from it)

19:19 <dwfreed> edits work

19:19 <dwfreed> just don't use them excessively

23:36 <Mangix> f00b4r0: not quite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVtpSi3avPE

23:36 <Mangix> RCD will trip if ground and neutral are bonded, even if no current passes.

23:37 <Mangix> and yes, downstream of RCD is what I meant.