03:01 <eslerm[m]> should we limit our support window of Ubuntu releases to 9 months (like interim releases)

03:01 <eslerm[m]> upstream moves pretty quickly with dependencies, and jammy support doesn't feel reasonable at this point

03:01 <eslerm[m]> I think this would help set expectations, and it could be used in a support matrix graphic

03:04 <john-cabaj[m]> I can’t speak to userspace packages, but from a kernel perspective, it’s too much to backport to LTS kernels - especially given Rust support keeps changing.

03:05 <john-cabaj[m]> Copying the kernel to a Jammy distribution is easy enough in Launchpad, though.

11:12 <kaazoo> Hi folks, when using HDMI-out to connect my external monitor, the Wayland sometimes dies during monitor wake-up from screen blank / lock. This trashes my active Gnome session with all the running applications, which is quite annoying.

11:14 <kaazoo> https://paste.debian.net/1305631/

11:16 <kaazoo> I connected the monitor back to my DisplayLink hub to see if the problem goes away when not using HDMI-out anymore.

15:23 <tobhe[m]> kaazoo: I'm afraid I can't help too much with this since I don't have a supported latop to test it, but good to know. Maybe open a bug on github to track this? Might be worth to see if others are seeing the same issue.

15:24 <tobhe[m]> <eslerm[m]> "should we limit our support..." <- > <@eslerm:matrix.org> should we limit our support window of Ubuntu releases to 9 months (like interim releases)... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/IOwBZUcxSmTtpjvikNDuCKfC>)

15:24 <tobhe[m]> it also adds a lot of testing work since I don't actually use it myself

15:28 <eslerm[m]> thanks John and Tobias

15:29 <tobhe[m]> worth considering though: if we maintain it just a bit longer we can go from LTS to LTS

15:32 <eslerm[m]> I feel like upstream will be less aggressive about dependency updates going forward, since a lot has been implemented already

22:30 <eslerm[m]> I'm going to install Jammy and see if battery sleep life is better

22:30 <eslerm[m]> (and confirm if this issue is a regression since then)

22:31 <tobhe[m]> hm not sure if that helps since the kernel there is barely older

22:32 <eslerm[m]> ah, okay

22:32 <tobhe[m]> https://files.tobhe.de/ubuntu/os/

22:32 <tobhe[m]> we have a few older images here

22:32 <tobhe[m]> how about... kinetic? or maybe the first lunar?

22:34 <tobhe[m]> I can set up an installer

22:34 <eslerm[m]> setting up an installer would be a big help

22:38 <tobhe[m]> actually tobhe.de/ubuntu/install-beta should still have a kinetic option

22:39 <tobhe[m]> and a very old lunar

22:39 <tobhe[m]> ubuntu-desktop-23.04-20230619.zip

22:40 <tobhe[m]> aargh matrix. that is not meant to be an url

22:42 <eslerm[m]> I'll try both, overnight runs for each