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<pq>
What if you want to use normal keys as pointer "modifiers" instead of only "real" modifiers? Why should modifiers be special?
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<MrCooper>
to me as a graphics person, it's hard to imagine non-modifer keys being useful as pointer modifiers, since they would also go to the surface with keyboard focus
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<pq>
usually (but not always) the keyboard focus is on the same window as the pointer.
<pq>
Modifiers are scarce. I can imagine e.g. CAD applications running out of modifiers for different click actions.
<pq>
More often that works by clicking to select, then pressing they key.
<pq>
would it be better or worse, I don't know (ignoring the fast that different is always worse at first)
<pq>
*fact
<MrCooper>
I thought this whole discussion started around a case where keyboard & pointer focus are not the same, e.g. using a scroll wheel over a window which doesn't have keyboard focus
<pq>
I wouldn't know.
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<pq>
emersion, do edid-decode maintainers not reply to patches when they merge them upstream?
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<pq>
I saw you post a patch, and say it's merged, but no ack on the mailing list.
<repetitivestrain>
regarding issue #338, i think it would be better to let the compositing manager specify constraints for the stride
<repetitivestrain>
a compositor i'm working on needs the stride to be a multiple of 4
<pq>
weston does too, with Pixman
<repetitivestrain>
right
<emersion>
pq, in the past yes, this time no. but i do receive a private email to say it's been merged
<emersion>
(automated)
<pq>
aha, thanks
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<wlb>
wayland-protocols Merge request !170 closed (A Specification for Wayland Fractional Scaling)
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<kennylevinsen>
wee, fractional scaling made it through
<emersion>
\o/
<ifreund>
this has been a pretty wild month for wayland-protocols :D
<emersion>
indeed
<emersion>
jadahl: maybe we should try to group new protocols if we plan to merge multiple of them in a short timeframe
<emersion>
for releases
<ifreund>
The idea being to make packaging less annoying for distro maintainers?
<emersion>
yeah
<emersion>
and also for jadahl!
<ifreund>
wayland-protocols is by nature one of the least annoying things that one can possibly package for a distro. With a tiny bit of automation I don't think many will mind
<ifreund>
At the very least I package it for void linux and don't mind at all
<emersion>
right, and they can always skip a release
<emersion>
at least wait for a while before upgrading
<emersion>
but still, it's some work
<emersion>
i feel bad for e.g. freebsd
<ifreund>
yeah, I don't really update the package until something else packaged for void requires a newer version
<emersion>
and also arch
<ifreund>
fair
<emersion>
these require the maintainer to write the patch
<jadahl>
emersion: that'll make it harder to catch up to firefox/chrome version numbers
<emersion>
as opposed to e.g. alpine where anyone can send a patch and then CI runs
<emersion>
jadahl: that's a very good point :D
<emersion>
anyways, i don't think another protocol is close to being ready to be merged
<jadahl>
i usually skim through if there are landable things, but hard to predict how many more hours/days/weeks/months/years a protocol will take until all parties are satisfied
<emersion>
jadahl: so, what should we do with the wl_surafce configure and scale events?
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<jadahl>
emersion: the conclusion was to require extensions to explicitly support it right?
<jadahl>
do we need a wayland.xml release to land the xdg-shell parts?
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<emersion>
jadahl: yeah, extensions need to opt-in
<emersion>
jadahl: hm, i guess the risk would be to release w-p, then revert the wayland patch?
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<jadahl>
emersion: yea, depending on unreleased things really. since numbers are cheap, it kind of makes sense to postpone until after the next wayland release
<emersion>
yea
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<DemiMarie>
I hope the other fractional scaling protocol will also make it 🙂
<wlb>
weston/main: Philipp Zabel * libweston: Add user authentication support via PAM https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/commit/0733c8f5715a libweston/auth.c pam/meson.build pam/weston-remote-access libweston/libweston-internal.h libweston/meson.build meson.build