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<wuniu>
my external screen got black except pointer when i used Gnome on wayland. the screen works well on X11, any ideas?
<dottedmag>
Please ask in GNOME support channels. Wayland is just a protocol.
<wuniu>
sure, thanks.
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<i509VCB>
emersion: You mentioned a while ago about a sort of "is this a local buffer" DRM IOCTL for memory barriers. Has there been any discussions on kernel mailing lists about that or I need to send some mail
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<emersion>
nope
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<marex>
hey. this might not be the right place to ask, but before I dig in ...
<marex>
I have this mx8m box, running weston compositor
<marex>
I start wayland terminal , make it fullscreen , then I start e.g. htop via ssh in separate session and observe it
<marex>
then, I take mouse and simply select content in this wayland terminal window, up and down, just to have this "select" area change size by a few lines, back and forth
<marex>
the CPU utilization goes from 0 to some 70% on both cores
<marex>
is that really expected ?
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<emersion>
weston-terminal is a toy app
<emersion>
it's not a "real" terminal app, it's a demo
<marex>
emersion: perf says that it spends 86% of CPU cycles in redraw handler
<marex>
and that calls into cairo_paint/cairo_fill
<marex>
so ... maybe the issue is rather in cairo ?
<emersion>
unlikely
<emersion>
i'd suggest using another terminal emulator
<marex>
emersion: so this behavior is something which is expected then, right ?
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<kennylevinsen>
marex: can't say without debugging it, but just use a different terminal for testing, e.g. foot. Feel free to report the bug against weston-terminal though.
<marex>
kennylevinsen: hmmm, that's not so easy on this target, but I did a test on desktop with weston running on x11 and the terminal also makes CPU core go to some 140% during this test
<marex>
so it is likely something to do with cairo repaints
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<kennylevinsen>
It's probably just the terminal painting too much
<marex>
kennylevinsen: so it seems, and it seems to be independent of the GPU driver, which is what I suspected at first
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<marex>
emersion: kennylevinsen: thanks
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<pac85>
> <@demi:invisiblethingslab.com> Because the X11 protocol allows them by design.
<pac85>
To be honest I wouldn't say that's something Wayland properly fixed yet. It still has no way of securing protocols. Sure it is more restrictive but it also prevents useful things from being implemented so that's not a proper solution.
<danieldg>
the concept of higher-privilege clients does kinda exist, it's just not very commonly used yet
<pac85>
danieldg: how would it work currently?
<danieldg>
pac85: one way is to use global filters, with high-privilege clients launched directly by the compositor using WAYLAND_SOCKET
<danieldg>
or create a second listening socket - there's a proposed protoocol so flatpak can create low-priv sockets in its sandboxes
<danieldg>
low-priv here meaning app_id restrictions, but it could be more
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<i509VCB>
Probably compositor policy
<danieldg>
yes, it's up to the compositor to decide what to restrict or allow
<pac85>
danieldg: sure but there is no way for a client to ask permissions or something like that, things like global hotkeys just end ul being broken + lots of compositors have protocols that expose sensitive information (like wlr_export_dmabuf)
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<danieldg>
pac85: moving things to the dbus portal seems to be one solution to that (so export-dmabuf would not be offered to normal clients)
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<pac85>
So te me it doesn't seem like wayland has truly solved the security problem yet
<pac85>
Hasn't
<danieldg>
nope
<pac85>
those are workarpund thay work for spevific cases
<danieldg>
they work for arbitrary cases
<pac85>
For example having an hotkey protovol om dbus would mean having to different ways of representing input events, that's not an ideal solution imho
<pac85>
Things is, for the end user things just don't woek
<danieldg>
that's relevant when making a hotkey protocol
<danieldg>
maybe it'd have a permission denied event, or such
<pac85>
I think there should be a general security mechanism
<pac85>
Which has been proposed
<pac85>
But not merged yet
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