ChanServ changed the topic of #wayland to: https://wayland.freedesktop.org | Discussion about the Wayland protocol and its implementations, plus libinput
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<pq>
joantolo[m], I would assume that if you get a VESA DisplayHDR 600 or above certified monitor, it should ok, but I have no personal experience on that. I suppose your ability to make your room dark at will would also affect your choice.
<pq>
JoshuaAshton, I believe OLED is intended to be used in a dark room, so the max nits value does not say much in itself.
<pq>
what I believe matters is the dynamic range (surprise), something like the ratio between the lowest non-zero luminance (or the luminance step size in the dark end) vs. max luminance
<pq>
Eyes are not cameras. The human visual system normalizes and adapts a great deal, making absolute luminance measurements neigh irrelevant in isolation from the viewing environment.
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<pq>
If one cannot make the room (the environment) arbitrarily dark at will, then more nits are needed from the monitor, in both dark and bright ends.
<pq>
JoshuaAshton, ever looked at what the max nits are in movie theatres?
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<JoshuaAshton>
pq: It's not intended to be used in a dark room though, they are sold as normal desktop/gaming displays
<JoshuaAshton>
The contraint is purely one of temperature and cooling really
<JoshuaAshton>
Burn-in is literally burn in. :P
<pq>
sure
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<pq>
but in practice, though?
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<swick[m]>
I have one of those qd oleds and they are basically SDR monitors during the day and HDR during night
<swick[m]>
More people should have them to understand the importance of viewing environment
<pq>
I'd like to have a QD OLED, but I'm afraid I can't make my office dark enough, and I don't work through the night.
<JoshuaAshton>
I mean there is a reason the Deck OLED goes up to 1000 nits peak with sustained fullscreen 800 nit :frog: (Lots of people use it outside)
<JoshuaAshton>
You can even get peak 1000 nit fullscreen if it's instantaneous or < 80% (I think 80% anyway), the 800 nit limit is simply ABL
<pq>
JoshuaAshton, yes, the environment is paramount.
<JoshuaAshton>
I use my HDR monitor with an SDR brightness of 600 nits anyway. I like bright and work with the daylight coming in, so these OLEDs are definitely not for me. =)
<pq>
I imagine engineering a small display to reach that is less of a challenge than a 26" or larger.
<JoshuaAshton>
For sure
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<JoshuaAshton>
Copper backing the display helps
<JoshuaAshton>
pressed right up onto the heat pipe
<pq>
so we agree :-)
<JoshuaAshton>
Yeah, like I said before it's all about temperature really
<JoshuaAshton>
Most of these OLED monitors already have pretty decent active cooling
<pq>
and a dim environment does not need so many nits
<pq>
daylight, the arch nemesis of emissive displays :-p
<JoshuaAshton>
pq: For sure, our lowest brightness goes down to like somewhere less than a nit for night-time use
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<JoshuaAshton>
Although that's dim even in bed pitch black, goes way dimmer than my phone
<pq>
Sounds really nice - you mean at the max-signal luminance?
<JoshuaAshton>
yeah
<JoshuaAshton>
Not PQ signal -- the Deck OLED is not a PQ display, it's Gamma 2.2
<pq>
irrelevant
<pq>
max is max, regardless what the signal definition is
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<pq>
PQ signal as well is intended to be "scaled" to fit the actual viewing environment, but it seems most monitor models disable contrast and brightess controls, which mean the manufacturer assumes people will change their room lighting to match the standards instead.
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<kennylevinsen>
that sounds awful
<pq>
It's the only conclusion I've come to.
<JoshuaAshton>
We have auto backlight and manual brightness control =D
<pq>
I suspecet TVs might be better at offering the knobs.
<kennylevinsen>
Depends on the manufacturer, it's not uncommon to have some modes lock out settings, and at least a hisense TV I know of lack manual backlight control altogether - each "mode" just has a set value...