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<DemiMarie>
Is libweston suitable for rootless compositors
<DemiMarie>
Conan Kudo suggested this, but I want to know if anyone has tried this before.
<DemiMarie>
Conan Kudo: I’m not opposed to using libweston, but I would first need to know that it could do everything I needed and that I would not get blocked.
<DemiMarie>
With wlroots, if there is a feature missing I can just implement it myself.
<DemiMarie>
because wlroots isn’t going to get in the way
<linkmauve>
DemiMarie, Weston is the compositor used by Windows, so obviously.
<linkmauve>
DemiMarie, why couldn’t you implement it in Weston as well?
<DemiMarie>
linkmauve: wlroots is much less opinionated than libweston, and I wanted to know if that mattered in my (rather unconventional) use-case.
<DemiMarie>
Other compositor authors (such as the author of Wayfire) have found that libweston is too opinionated for what they are doing and caused problems
<emersion>
linkmauve: it's a fork
<DemiMarie>
emersion: upstreamable?
<emersion>
no
<DemiMarie>
why?
<DemiMarie>
would the upstream libweston be suitable for my needs?
<emersion>
i don't think so
<emersion>
weston has not been designed for these use-cases
<DemiMarie>
what changes did Microsoft have to make?
<DemiMarie>
Would Microsoft’s fork be suitable, or would it cause too many problems when I needed to implement a protocol and libweston didn’t support it?
<Eighth_Doctor>
Microsoft's weston fork mostly adds a new shell module
<Eighth_Doctor>
based on the feedback in that MR, daniels doesn't seem to be opposed to it, but the strategy of how it was plumbed through for Microsoft isn't the one he wanted
<Eighth_Doctor>
but a lot has changed in two years since that MR
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<Eighth_Doctor>
some of that MR might still be needed, but the stuff it touches has changed a fair bit
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<Eighth_Doctor>
there's also a simple Wayland based desktop built on Weston too, called Wayward: https://github.com/varmd/wayward
<DemiMarie>
daniels: which do you think I should use?
<Company>
like, this should have triggered since GTK switched to Vulkan in May
<Company>
or did niri recently change in some way that triggers it?
<YaLTeR[m]>
Two reasons: doesn't repro on my desktop for some reason + I'm running F40 so my frequent nautilus dnd is still ngl
<YaLTeR[m]>
Though, it's still kinda weird that I only ran into it now
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<colinmarc>
is there anything wrong with just discarding any committed content for a toplevel surface while I'm waiting on an ack_configure?
<colinmarc>
I saw a situation where a client was acking a previous configure (I sent two in quick succession) but then hanging without acking the second configure. calling the frame callback on the surface fixed it
<kennylevinsen>
colinmarc: it feels wrong to stall frame callbacks, but you’re free to ignore the content until ack
<colinmarc>
if that's standard behavior, maybe it should be documented? something like "If a surface is committed for which there is a pending, un-acked configure, the compositor should immediately discard the content update and trigger any pending frame callbacks"
<kennylevinsen>
it shouldn’t discard content updates, it *may* discard content updates
<kennylevinsen>
and frame callbacks may always be throttled, but if not throttled they should be delivered
<colinmarc>
throttled implies not stalled forever, I guess? the surface was configured as suspended at that point
<kennylevinsen>
Question is: is it a bug to wait for a frame callbacks to ack? The client should respond quickly, but one frame is also quick. It can make sense to throttle to frame callbacks, but configures might be seen as semi-urgent
<kennylevinsen>
Yeah, if it’s suspended and hidden it’s okay to wait with frame callback, but then acking isn’t really urgent either. If an ack is urgent, it’s presumably because you want to present the surface, in which case it’s no longer suspended
<colinmarc>
the configure 2 removed the suspended state
<colinmarc>
and I did want to present at that point
<kennylevinsen>
Then you should be sending frame events after the second configure (what better time to start rendering than just before the window becomes visible?), but it does just sound like a client bug not expecting this ordering… what client?
<colinmarc>
> Then you should be sending frame events after the second configure (what better time to start rendering than just before the window becomes visible?)
<colinmarc>
That makes sense. I usually only send frame callbacks if I actually presented (or if I explicitly discard a content update).
<colinmarc>
* > Then you should be sending frame events after the second configure (what better time to start rendering than just before the window becomes visible?)
<colinmarc>
That makes sense. I usually only send frame callbacks if I actually presented (or if I explicitly discard a content update).
<colinmarc>
thanks :)
<ifreund>
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<DemiMarie>
Conan Kudo: Looks like `assign_planes` (as preferred by daniels) requires doing one's own rendering, which Microsoft presumably didn't want to do.
<DemiMarie>
emersion: why do you say that Weston is not suitable for this use-case?
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<throwthecheese>
I'm trying to rotate my touchscreen canvas using libinput but it won't rotate for some reason despite libinput_device_config_calibration_get_matrix returning 1, implying the matrix was modified.
<throwthecheese>
Anybody knows whyM
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<kennylevinsen>
throwthecheese: where are you trying to modify it from? Libinput state is local to the application using it, you cannot use libinput in a random application to affect the Wayland server’s matrix for example
<kennylevinsen>
if you want to affect the server’s matrix, configure the server according to its manual, or set the default matrix using the libinput udev rule
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<throwthecheese>
I'm trying to implement automatic screen rotation and I'd rather not use xinput
<throwthecheese>
It's rather inconsistent at recognizing my stylus (sometimes it recognizes it as a single device and as two devices at other times)
<kennylevinsen>
I'm not sure why xinput would be the alternative
<throwthecheese>
I could call xinput set-prop to rotate the canvas whenever the screen gets rotated
<kennylevinsen>
that wouldn't work in general
<throwthecheese>
But it's unreliable
<throwthecheese>
That's why I'm trying to bypass xinput or rather, the command line
<kennylevinsen>
it wouldn't do anything in most cases, so yeah
<throwthecheese>
I should mention that I'm trying to achieve automatic screen rotation under X
<kennylevinsen>
that *would* be good to mention in #wayland :)
<kennylevinsen>
I can't really help much with X11 - in wayland servers such as sway, no matrix shenanigans are required for touch to be correctly aligned after random output rotations, it just works
<kennylevinsen>
but libinput isn't the right path - it's a library to help an application interpret input device events, not a way to set global system state
<throwthecheese>
I'm considering moving back to X as there is an unresolved issue in kwin that causes stylus input to streak in applications running on XWayland
<throwthecheese>
GNOME is out of question for me as it doesn't have a global menu addon that doesn't hang LibreOffice up
<kennylevinsen>
that's unfortunate - is it filed and triaged?
<throwthecheese>
It's filed but it has been collecting dust for nine months
<kennylevinsen>
I don't work on kwin or Xwayland, so I can't really comment on it - but it would be good to know if it's a kwin bug or an xwayland bug
<FreeFull>
And Krita still forces itself to run under X11 only
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<throwthecheese>
mutter doesn't appear to screw up my strokes on XWayland,,, problem is that you can't really swap out the compositor in KDE
<FreeFull>
So I imagine it's easy to run into that bug
<throwthecheese>
It's with note-taking software, especially AppImages that you can really notice the stylus input being screwy
<kennylevinsen>
hmm, none of it having native wayland support? :/
<throwthecheese>
The MrWriter AppImage enforces XWayland... not sure about Xournal++ but it won't play nice with my global menu on Wayland
<throwthecheese>
That's typical of GTK3+ software, though
<kennylevinsen>
being qt5, maybe it could just be built with wayland support
<throwthecheese>
Wayland support is not implemented in Krita as far as I know
<throwthecheese>
Was told recently that there is no support for it currently
<kennylevinsen>
talking about mrwriter
<FreeFull>
Blender supports tablet input and is wayland-native.. But it's not really a note-taking app
<throwthecheese>
I had to compile it from source to get it natively running but it then crashed frequently due to my hand being on the screen while writing... guess who has a second, patched qt5wayland library
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