#asahi-dev on 2022-08-08 — irc logs at oftc.irclog.whitequark.org

2022-03-22 11:58 ChanServ changed the topic of #asahi-dev to: Asahi Linux: porting Linux to Apple Silicon macs | General development | GitHub: https://alx.sh/g | Wiki: https://alx.sh/w | Logs: https://alx.sh/l/asahi-dev

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05:49 <marcan> jannau/(alyssa if she sees the log): the new DRM backlight stuff seems to be moving slowly, so let's go with good old backlight device support for now for DCP.

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05:50 <marcan> that, ext display bikeshedding, the IOMMU handoff stuff, making it work on all machines, what else is needed?

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06:18 <jannau> marcan: backlight control seems to require the screen calibration data (set_block_dcp) or something else. Just setting the property like macos crashes dcp

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06:20 <jannau> dcp should work on all machines except m2, I haven't looked at m2 since it needs further dart changes since "vm-base" is non-zero

06:21 <jannau> external display support is important for the submission to get the device tree bindings right

06:23 <jannau> we need to come up with a new compatible string for dart-disp* to avoid the reset on probe

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06:25 <jannau> biggest item is switching dart-dcp and stream 4 of dart-disp* to an unmanaged iommu domain

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09:25 <_jannau_> we might need the unmanaged iommu domain for dart-disp* stream 0 as well for external displays. I'm not sure if DRM can deal with different iova pointers per crtc for framebuffers

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10:02 <sven> and I guess I should finally just write atcphy.py and figure out external display support

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10:20 <jannau> I was planning to start looking at hdmi port on the macbook pro 14/16 as that omits atc-dpin, no idea if that makes the atc handling any easier

10:21 <princesszoey> I would love you for that jannau

10:21 <jannau> I traced the dp-crossbar already and there was not going on much

10:23 <jannau> this will take at least a couple of weeks

10:35 <sven> yeah, i've also traced the "dpphy" part and that seems to be mostly a set of static MMIO pokes

10:36 <sven> i think the trickiest part is going to be how this all fits into the various subsystems

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10:47 <marcan> yup, the bikeshedding as usual

10:49 <marcan> jannau: do we really need a new compatible for that? we're going to run into this problem (older kernels borking on new DTs) more than this time... there's no "good" solution

10:50 <marcan> and I'm not sure if new compatibles is really the best option here (cc robher_ tl;dr older kernels with drivers missing features that cause things to explode when we add new devices to the DT)

10:51 <marcan> it's early days enough that maybe we can afford to break people, especially with something as important as DART

10:51 <marcan> we can still have some transition kernels where we implement a probe failure before everything else is ready

10:52 <marcan> don't we already have that anyway?

10:52 <marcan> apple_dart_hw_reset punts if the DART is locked

10:52 <maz> marcan: with pinhead as a customer, you want to be *very* careful when breaking backward compat.

10:53 <marcan> maz: I told him about this and that I'd warn him when it happens (it will)

10:53 <marcan> oh wait, DCP DART is locked, but DISP0 isn't, right? sigh...

10:54 <marcan> maybe we can lock it in m1n1 for a while, as a workaround, since we need to implement that for DCP anyway :p

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10:56 <jannau> yes, disp0 is the problem. I think dcp wouldn't be a problem with dcp been shutdown

10:56 <marcan> dcp isn't shutdown on laptops

10:56 <marcan> only desktops

10:56 <marcan> (I'm not sure if shutting it down on laptops is a good idea, I think it does more stuff there)

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10:57 <marcan> but what do you think about the locking disp0 trick?

10:57 <marcan> I mean, ultimately it's like DCP in that not handling it delicately will make things explode too, and once we implement support for that, who cares if we use it twice...

10:57 <marcan> and then older kernels will just refuse to probe

10:57 <jannau> hmm, something changed on the laptop as well since I wasn't been able to wake it up without the register poke

10:58 <jannau> locking dart-disp0 is probably ok, we have to handle that case already for dcp

10:58 <marcan> display_init() does nothing if the display is internal and already initialized, and display_shutdown() does nothing if iboot was not initialized

10:59 <marcan> so it should be a no-op on laptops

10:59 <marcan> and yeah, let's just lock it and keep the compat then

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11:00 <marcan> we can always unlock it in the future once old kernels die off for a while

11:00 <marcan> but this solves the immediate compat issue

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11:04 <jannau> most current dcp WIP tree is in https://github.com/jannau/linux/tree/asahi-dcp-july and https://github.com/jannau/m1n1/tree/dcp-july based on asahi / m1n1 from 2022-07-31, I expect it to rebase without problem

11:04 <marcan> cool, I'll take a look once I'm done with the random low hanging fruit business

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11:10 <jannau> regarding iommu handoff, thierry has dt-bindings nobody complained about yet

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11:12 <jannau> one semi open question is how we want to handle the mapping transfer, I prefer the mostly static approach in https://github.com/jannau/m1n1/commit/950af163563c19ece1f28b4271e60ba887dd1e20 based on /chosen/carveout-memory-map/ properties and templated fdt nodes

11:14 <jannau> the region-id-xy properties look stable over macos releases and different SoC. the only change I see is that m1x uses an additional region and m2 again one additional region over m1x

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11:16 <jannau> just looking at the dart and transfer the mappings to the fdt would be valid too and should avoid changes on new SoCs

11:17 <jannau> price would be more complicated fdt fixups in m1n1 and less information in the dts source

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11:22 <marcan> right, I was reluctant to touch those reserved regions but they do look static, probably just enum members they never remove

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11:23 <marcan> I'm fine with your approach

11:23 <marcan> what I'm not so sure about is the templated nodes, since that could change based on firmware version potentially

11:24 <marcan> I think I'd rather inject that in m1n1 entirely, especially for the rando-numbered ones that aren't something explicit like vram

11:25 <marcan> re pro/max, I suspect some of these regions have something to do with the LED backlight

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11:30 <_jannau_> it would be nice if the name of the regions would not be empty

11:31 <marcan> _jannau_: btw, is the driver ported to 12.3, or still 12.0? (or did it not change?)

11:32 <_jannau_> the additional region for m2' dcp is 32MB large, not sure why it needs that much mem, assuming it doesn't contain framebuffers

11:34 <_jannau_> marcan: it's 12.3, changes were minor or required for m1 max. tested on m1 max mbp, mac mini, mac studio and imac (in decreasing testing intensity)

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11:34 <marcan> cool

11:35 <marcan> 32MB is almost big enough for a 4K framebuffer but not quite; would fit the screen FB I think. so it might be a FB.

11:36 <sven> i think this bikeshedding is gonna be worse than usual because it'll involve typec, phy, usb, drm and who knows what else :D

11:37 <marcan> yup...

11:37 <sven> oh, thunderbolt probably as well :/

11:37 <marcan> yuup...

11:37 <sven> and ofc nothing does it the way apple split this up so this is gonna be a lot of fun

11:38 <_jannau_> but why would it be mapped to dcp if it's a framebuffer, how would the scanout via display processor work if it's just mapped to dcp

11:38 <sven> so far i just have a very rough idea about usb3 and thunderbolt but haven't even thought how to fit that into typec yet

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11:39 <_jannau_> any idea how dp encapsulated in thunderbolt fits into this?

11:40 <sven> it seems to be mostly setup DP as usual and then do some more magic stuff i haven't looked into yet

11:41 <sven> usb3 tunneled via usb4 is just "switch pipehandler mux from setting 2 to 3" or something like that

11:41 <sven> i assume DP will be similar

11:43 <sven> all this really just requires me to sit down for a few hours to write atcphy.py. after that it should be relatively easy to figure some of this out from m1n1

11:43 <sven> (like e.g. what magic poke i'm missing to bring cio up and make the usb4 pcie bus accessible)

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14:14 <robher_> marcan: That's a common issue. The DT adds some provider and the kernel waits for a driver blocking other drivers. Handling it has been evolving (see commits touching deferred probe code).

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15:59 <marcan> robher_: in this case it's more like an existing driver will do entirely the wrong thing with some hardware instances (not due to hardware differences, due to usage/configuration differences) on probe, and break existing stuff

16:00 <marcan> but I think we found a viable workaround to make old drivers fail to probe instead of exploding

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16:23 <_jannau_> I'm not 100% sure that current hand-off for the locked dart-dcp will work for dart-disp0. the page table get's cleared without invalidating the stream. the hand-off mappings are set later. this might only work for the quiesced dcp. hand-off for disp0 is currently a ttbr swap

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