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<marcan> I wouldn't trust that that works for dcp either
<marcan> so that needs to be fixed either way (what I suggested was building the L2 PT then doing an in-place swap)
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<sven> yeah, this can (and should) all be done atomically
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<_jannau_> I don't see how it can be easily done atomically with the dart / iopgtbl split as is
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<sven> i vaguely remember two possibilities. one of them was to create a shadow pagetable and just memcpy to the locked first level table in the flush callback or something. i think the other one was more annoying to implement but didn't require the shadow copy
<sven> but it's been a while, let me take a brief look after $work
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<_jannau_> I should still have your notes
<sven> maybe those ideas also don’t work because of some subtleties in overlooked
<sven> *I
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<povik> what typical ways are there to enable verbose logging from kexts?
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<povik> there's a level of verbosity the AOP driver can do i am not unlocking
<povik> i tried looking around for plausible bootargs, but that didn't do it
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<sven> i think i dumped all bootargs at some point, let's see if i can find that again
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<povik> oh hello there 'admac-aop-audio.debug'
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<povik> no, that's not it, that debugs the ADMAC instance of course
<povik> but aop-audio-debug?
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<povik> that didn't print anything new, but maybe i should try on a machine that has nonempty aop audio (mac mini has no mic, but the driver still probes)
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<chadmed> incredible scenes in the pipewire issue right now, some gigabrain has suggested hacking an FFT algorithm into ALSA to do the DSP at the driver level instead of in userspace
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<sven> it must be faster if it's running in kernel mode ofc!
<chadmed> im sure no one would ever abuse an interface that would by design _have_ to allow loading arbitrary binary data into kernel memory
<povik> well that's no different from other firmware kernel loads
<maz> you mean, like a BPF program?
* maz runs...
<povik> :)
<sven> :>
<chadmed> touche
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<mps> ahah, yes
<sven> maybe we can implement the FFT as a BPF program!
<mps> nowadays everything want to run in kernel space
<maz> sven: don't go there, please...
<povik> now sven got me interested
<sven> don't worry, i'm joking. though it's probably possible
<sven> povik: loading firmware and handing it off to a device is a bit different from parsing some complex data structure or even interpreting some byte code
<povik> that's not the case though
<povik> the suggestion is having the filter chain baked into kernel code
<povik> only the data would have to be loaded
<povik> (the impulse responses)
<povik> franky the original idea is a sane suggestion
<mps> it would make sense if it runs on dedicated coproccesor imo
<chadmed> the idea for doing it in pipewire is that the infrastructure is 99.999% of the way there already, and all we'd need to agree on is a "standard" way of representing the device to the sound server
<povik> yeah, but the argument against is we have to trust userspace
<chadmed> i think the trust is more in the driver itself, e.g. our driver maps the default L and R channels to woofers which mitigates virtually all possibility of damaging the array when coupled with the volume limiter
<povik> well that covers some cases of accidental damage
<povik> but then you can open the device for 6 channels if you are an outright evil userspace
<chadmed> true
<chadmed> but then if youre an evil userspace you could also just replace the FIRs on disk and have the kernel load some ridiculous thing that just explodes every driver
<povik> ha, found the loophole :)
<povik> the solution is authenticating the FIRs, of course!
<povik> anyway i will be happy if the issue goes either way
<chadmed> ship hashes of every known good fir with the kernel source and compile them into the driver
<povik> or compute the frequency image of the FIRs on load and check them against a safe envelope :p
<chadmed> i wont really care if it ends up in the kernel, i just think its waaaay more work than it really needs to be for the sake of saving the three people on earth using these machines without a sound server and who might have installed a broken asound.conf
<chadmed> without reaaally doing much to shield the device from malicious actors
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<mps> chadmed: who are other two (beside me)
<mps> jk
<chadmed> suckless devs :P
<j`ey> does anyone else pulling from asahi github, sometimes not get all tags? for example I have asahi-5.19-1 asahi-5.19-3, but not -2, even though I see it in the interface here https://github.com/AsahiLinux/linux/tags
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<povik> chadmed: it is way more work
<povik> i will bring up we may have unsafe PCMs even with volume caps next time i push the macaudio driver, we will see what the kernel folk say
<povik> maybe we will end up with the handshake to userspace
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<ChaosPri1> what about having the crossover and volume limit in the kernel and filters in userspace
<povik> the filters are the safety feature
<ChaosPri1> s/filters/impulse response/
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<povik> i am not sure what you mean by that split
<povik> the crossover/filtering is natural to do as a single step
<ChaosPri1> kernel checks the volume and the frequency of incoming audio and rejects unsafe input by either clamping the volume/filtering out the frequiencies.
<ChaosPri1> or rejecting the whole audio packet
<ChaosPri1> while userspace does the rest of the things that make the speakers sound good
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<dottedmag> chadmed: They would think M1/M2 suck and wouldn't touch it
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<povik> ChaosPri1: ah, then the disadvantage may be that the frequency check in kernel isn't all that different from doing the full processing, and is additional computational work
<ChaosPri1> well, yes, but is there another solution that both protects from misbehaving userspace and does not put the whole audio processing in the kernel?
<povik> i guess no. if you want airtight protection from userspace
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<povik> so, looking into sound/* of the kernel:
<povik> Searching 2545 files for "kernel_fpu_begin"
<povik> 0 matches
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<j`ey> that seems to be an x86ism? it's called kernel_neon_begin for arm64
<povik> ah
<povik> then no wonder
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<j`ey> povik: why? you want to simd some stuff?
<_jannau_> an in-kernel audio filter should use neon
<_jannau_> chadmed: there are PC laptop speakers which can be destroyed by a compressed audio signal. Ask VLC's "volume boost" over 100%
<povik> j`ey: well i was wondering if someone already did the unspeakable of signal processing in kernel
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<povik> (kernel_neon_begin still has zero hits in sound/*)
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<maz> povik: AFAIK, it is mostly used in crypto code.
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<mps> povik: I have this in dmesg output `[ 1.903740] tas2770 1-0032: ASoC: error at snd_soc_dai_set_tdm_slot on tas2770 ASI1: -22`
<mps> though sound works fine
<mps> mbp 2020
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<povik> that's ok (although bug in spewing false error messages)
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<mps> ok
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<marcan> povik: KORG put an entire multi-mode synth in the kernel, but then again they also violate the GPL left and right, so probably not an example to follow
<marcan> (my piano keyboard runs linux and I know too much about it for my own good)
<marcan> but yeah, no, I don't see in-kernel DSP flying any time soon
<marcan> I'd be more interested in just how well can we configure the speaker amps to provide basic safety
<marcan> can they implement e.g. a simple highpass?
<marcan> what about the monitoring features, can the kernel use those to detect badness happening and kill things before physical damage happens?
<marcan> reminder that I have a pile of machines and AppleCare on all of the expensive ones, so if I *have* to blow some speakers up to make sure nobody else does, I can do that.
<marcan> it would be interesting to find out if e.g. the feedback stuff can detect the speaker diaphragm hitting mechanical limits (which might cause a detectable current pattern)
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<marcan> (on another note, a friend just got their T2 Mac back from Apple after it blew its speakers up today. with macOS.)
<marcan> (so even macOS isn't immune to this...)
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<marcan> povik: TAS2764 DC_BLK0.HPF_FREQ_PB can highpass at up to 800Hz
<marcan> chadmed: that sounds good enough to protect tweeters?
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<povik> marcan: how did i miss that! that's not too low
<povik> though i can't find a shape for the filter in the datasheet
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<povik> it's -3 dB at 800 hz
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<marcan> I assume it's a 1-pole filter
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<marcan> wouldn't be hard to test
<povik> yeah
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<marcan> honestly, I get the feeling that with per-speaker this and a volume cap in the DT, we can probably deal with most of the blowing up speakers problem
<marcan> if we lose a little loudness/headroom to safety, so be it
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<j`ey> marcan: you store the device link in dchid->helper_link, but it's never used again, so I think it can just be a local var
<j`ey> and seems to be, in other drivers that use DL_FLAG_AUTOREMOVE_CONSUMER
<sven> so for ATCPHY there are essentially five or so different "logical" register ranges (for which I want a single RegMap each) that apple splits into 15+ regs entries in the ATC. is there anything to represent that in m1n1? e.g. something like REGMAPS = [ATCPhy, regmap_offset(ATCPhy, 0x200), regmap_offset(ATCPhy, 0x400), ...]?
<sven> doesn't matter much for atcphy.py but would be nice to also make the atcphy tracer aware of all register I know about
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<marcan> j`ey: yeah, it can just be checked for NULL and thrown away, some other drivers do that
<marcan> sven: there isn't, but that doesn't look too hard to add
<sven> ok, i'll give it a shot then
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<_jannau_> phoronix sees the m2 macbook slower than m1 mac mini in tests using all core, I wonder if that's just thermal throttling or something else
<_jannau_> only benchmarking I did on the m2 macbook pro was kernel compiling and it was clearly faster than m1 but had running fans
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<rowang077[m]> Most likely throttling. It loses something like 25%+ of peak performance due to thermals.
<rowang077[m]> *On OSX
<_jannau_> there 13 with more than 30% difference and 6 with more than 50% https://openbenchmarking.org/result/2208099-PTS-APPLEM2896&sgm=1&swl=1&sor&sgm=1&swl=1&hgv=Apple+MacBook+Air+-+M2&rmm=MSI+MS-14C6+-+Core+i7+1280P%2CASUS+G513QY+-+Ryzen+9+5900HX%2CThinkPad+X13+Gen3+-+Ryzen+7+6850U&ppt=D&ftt=Apple+Mac+Mini+-+M1&ftb=Apple+MacBook+Air+-+M2
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