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<alyssa>
how did dcp driver creep up to 2.7kloc
<alyssa>
i am not ok with this
<alyssa>
then again i just added +80 lines to pass through the physical size of the display :v
<marcan>
arnd, nsklaus: external boot was variously broken in early versions of Big Sur on these machines
<marcan>
I think it's improved now
<marcan>
pretty sure it's *supposed* to work from USB though I haven't tried recently
<marcan>
12.0 also fixes a bunch of stuff (another reason why I want people on that ASAP once it comes out; because 11.x was a giant mess and they clearly didn't get a chance to fix a lot of it until 12.0)
<marcan>
the whole boot story has been slowly gaining missing features, like the ownership transfer UI in the boot pickers...
<marcan>
that said, you don't even need macOS on an external drive at all at this point
<marcan>
the only blocking factor is that our installer currently assumes you have a primary bootable macos on internal storage
<marcan>
but I could add a "wipe macos" option to it for those people who really want it
<marcan>
you'd still have to boot it at least once to go through initial setup
<marcan>
since we need to have a machine owner user, and the installer needs to get its UUID copied into its own partition so it can also authenticate it
<marcan>
but once that's done, you don't need macos for anything other than updates
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<nsklaus>
marcan: thanks for telling,
<nsklaus>
i would use such an option, when installing asahi
<nsklaus>
(wipe macos)
<nsklaus>
i can't be the only one
<nsklaus>
at least on internal hd
<mini>
isn't physical display size used by DEs to auto-detect if they should be doing High DPI modes or not, primarily?
<mini>
I know older DEs used to use it to automatically set font DPI as well
<nsklaus>
depends on the DE or WM
<nsklaus>
if you're using something like fvwm or dwm, then chances are nothing is done for you automatically
<klange>
Font size setting based on actual DPI is rare, for various reasons that mostly boil down to "because no one ever expected this, doing it is problematic".
<nsklaus>
klange: wasn't gnome and co. doing something similar ? (i'm not a gnome user)
<rkjnsn[m]>
Oh, sorry, I misread. It does default to 96 regardless of reported monitor DPI, and has to be changed manually.
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<klange>
Yes, I mean the autodetection specifically, everyone just pretends it's 96 even if the monitor is screaming otherwise.
<klange>
I think it's less of an issue with all these new-fangled high-DPI displays, but in the fatter pixeled world that came before pixel dimensions were far more relevant to the presentation of text than the dimensions of pixels...
<klange>
Related to all of that nonsense with subpixel antialiasing and hinting algorithms...
<j_ey>
marcan: why do we need macOS for updates if the installer can grab studf?
<mjg59>
tbf the 96 thing is also because the core X protocol has no concept of multiple displays with multiple DPIs
<mjg59>
96 is used as an override for the core X value because you can't assume the server made a good decision when confronted with a 1024x768 laptop and a 4K projector
<mjg59>
You need to punt decisions out to something that has more contextual understanding, and to toolkits that can make use of that extra context
<tophevich[m]>
j_ey: I thought it was because of the firmware
<tophevich[m]>
s/firmware/firmware updates
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* Glanzmann
used fvwm2.
<Glanzmann>
I have in my .Xdefaults: ! Xft.dpi: 82.0
<Glanzmann>
marcan: Why do you need thunderbolt? For you docking station?
<j_ey>
tophevich[m]: I thought the installer could grab the firmware too..
<Glanzmann>
j_ey: It can at least it downloaded something that looked like it.
<sven>
i'll need working thunderbolt for a docking station before i can use linux instead of macos as well :(
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<chadmed>
yeah thunderbolt docks are a must for these machines imo, theyre so starved of i/o. if the leaked chassis for the next mac mini is accurate then it will only have one usb type a port so proper thunderbolt/usb4 support becomes even more important
<marcan>
wonder what happened there... weird glitch
<eta>
aww, cute :3
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<psykose>
time for some necrocutemancy
<marcan>
j_ey: the installer grabs the firmware for *Linux* but it can't update your *system* firmware
<marcan>
which needs to be equal or newer
<klange>
Ironically the one figure I have that is constantly falling apart because it's a cheap crane prize... was fine? This Is Fine Dog ended up on the ground, a bunch of books fell over, and large PVC pipe I've been storing in my bathroom somehow shook itself _upright_ from resting on the wall. Amusing.
<marcan>
plus macOS <12.0 can't bless 11.x (this is a fundamental design flaw they fixed in 12.0 with BootabilityBundle, *another* reason I want to just say goodbye to 11.x)
<klange>
And one of my sliding windows opened a bit.
<marcan>
yeah, definitely hit you quite a bit stronger than me
<eta>
<klange> This Is Fine Dog ended up on the ground ā deeply ironic
<kettenis>
12.0 must be around the corner
<marcan>
yeah
<klange>
Please don't tempt the gods of irony re: This Is Fine Dog - I like my house not being on fire.
<eta>
:D
<marcan>
er sorry, <12.0 can't bless 12.0 is what I meant
<alyssa>
FWIW - I've already committed to not mainling 11.x DCP stuff
<marcan>
ack
<alyssa>
But by the time this gets through the first 3 upstream review cycles (--> rewrite half the driver in response), 12.x should be out.
<marcan>
I don't mind if you do FWIW, but there's also not much reason; I'm going to push everyone to 12.0 with the first "complete-ish" installer
<marcan>
yeah, same
<alyssa>
nod
<alyssa>
Depending on Apple's timing I might send out an RFC with 11.4 though š¤·
<marcan>
sure, no problem there
<marcan>
(to everyone: reminder that this is about system firmware, if someone really wants to keep macos 11.x they can, but then they have to either do a dummy transient 12.0 install, or (not necessarily the best idea) idevicerestore in non-erase mode)
<marcan>
arnd: am I still on time to send you a couple DT and MAINTAINERS updates? :)
<arnd>
yes, I have not sent out the fixes branch yet, working on that
<alyssa>
..and im late to class
<alyssa>
bibi
<marcan>
cool, I'll put that together now
<arnd>
marcan: I assume there was no earthquake damage in your office then
<marcan>
"office"
* marcan
looks around his bedroom
<marcan>
but yeah, nothing major here
<marcan>
arnd: do you want it broken into two pulls, DT and MAINTAINERS, or DT+MAINTAINERS and DT, or something else?
<marcan>
er, DT+MAINTAINERS and MAINTAINERS
<marcan>
(since you mentioned putting the latter into fixes)
<arnd>
marcan: when you send fixes, a combined branch is fine, anything for the merge window should be split into categories DT, defconfig, drivers, etc
<marcan>
fixes is just the maint stuff anyway, right?
<marcan>
if so the same pull would apply to fixes and merge window there, should it be two emails or one?
<arnd>
probably yes, depends on whether any of your DT changes are stable material
<marcan>
nah, it's new stuff
<arnd>
one email per pull request
<marcan>
ack
<marcan>
what do you want the fixes branch to be based on? latest rc?
<marcan>
(both really)
<arnd>
marcan: make it the earliest -rc that it is known to work on, normally -rc1
<arnd>
marcan: the branches in the soc tree for the merge window are based on -rc3 at the moment, so that would also work, but I want to avoid back-merging contents from mainline, in order to preserve a readable git history. Sticking with -rc1 as a rule means you don't have to worry about which -rc I'm basing on
<marcan>
cool
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<marcan>
arnd: do DT bindings go through my tree too, or just the DTs themselves?
<arnd>
it can go either way: some subsystem maintainers like to pick these up together with the drivers, anything you have left over can go together with the dts files
<marcan>
got it
<arnd>
if you want to do it the fancy way, you can have a shared branch with the bindings, and then base the driver changes and the dts changes on top of that branch, sending them both ways with identical commit IDs for the bindings
<marcan>
but driver changes go through subsystem maintainers, right?
<marcan>
(as patches, not pulls)
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<nkaretnikov>
Is anyone working on getting x86 emulation working on Linux similar to macos? iirc the chip has some capability to run x86 code or something like that. How much effort is required?
<nkaretnikov>
Iām just curious whether m1 machines could be something that could run legacy x86 oses or at least applications
<marcan>
arnd: looks like I don't quite have any DT updates yet; the ones that are ready are blocked on that pinctrl nit, so I'll just send you the MAINTAINERS changes as two (otherwise identical) pulls for fixes and next
<arnd>
ok
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<nkaretnikov>
marcan: ah yeah, I know about that one. Was just curious about how the translation thing works
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<nkaretnikov>
Not super important. Just trying to figure out whether it would be theoretically possible (given reasonable time/effort)
<marcan>
nkaretnikov: it already works as far as I know, wine works too and can run games to some extent
<j_ey>
marcan: still a lil confused about the whole macOS thing, can we have a macOS install on a separate driver, that we use to update the system firmware?
<j_ey>
*drive
<marcan>
yes
<marcan>
the only issue is right now the installer requires an existing macos install to pull a userid from, and only considers installs on the internal drive
<marcan>
wouldn't be too hard to have it scan other drives too, so as long as you have it plugged in during install it works
<nkaretnikov>
ty
<j_ey>
interesting. maybe I'll look at doing that.. however Im used to a 128G hard drive, so having a 256-70G or so HD isnt bad :P
<marcan>
but I might consider plonking that data elsewhere, to make it more persistent
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<alyssa>
Intention: spending this hour doing my theoretical CS homework
<alyssa>
Actual: spending this hour wikipedia'ing obscure sorting algorithms not covered in class and reading the qsort() implementation of different FOSS libc's
<TheLink>
iirc I had to do exercises implementing different sorting in modula 2
<TheLink>
on sun sparc workstations which my uni was very proud of
<alyssa>
sunlight sparcle
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<j_ey>
Glanzmann: ipxe.efi with uboot?
<Glanzmann>
Nope.
<Glanzmann>
j_ey: ESX 7 Update 3 was released two days ago and it did not boot on my ryzen based servers, so I tried a lot of things. The solution was to to switch from leagcy boot to efi.
<Glanzmann>
j_ey: But I look forward once ipxe.efi is working with uboot.
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