02:08 <chadmed> citizen1[m]: the money thing isnt an "excuse" as much aas it is a factor simply by the nature of how apple makes its money. as krbtgt points out, apple doesnt sell chips, it sells computers. they dont need to make money back on their chips, just the computer as a whole. making a good chip helps sell computers. apple has infinite money so the bean counters give engineering carte blanche to make the biggest and baddest

02:08 <chadmed> chips they can muster

10:41 <Chainsaw> kode54: It's not a Dell 34" is it? That needs a firmware update for some odd sync issues.

10:44 <rkt> Hello, Where is the latest github repo for Asahi Linux? I found the `linux` repo on github, but the last commit is on Mar this year.

10:44 <j_ey> rkt: there isnt a canonical branch

10:45 <j_ey> alyssa has been collecting thins into a branch here: https://github.com/mu-one/linux/tree/20211022

10:45 <rkt> j_ey: thank you, i found it now

10:46 <rkt> Is Asahi Linux now just a kernel wihout any Desktop environemnt?

10:46 <chadmed> its not a distro at all at the present time

10:47 <chadmed> but the endgame is an arch linux arm based distro

10:47 <rkt> hmm, makes sense, and cool

10:47 <j_ey> I mean, the endgame is everything upstream, so you can pick a distro ;)

10:48 <chadmed> the focus right now and into the future is upstreaming all the hardware specific patches required into the relevant projects (mostly the kernel and mesa)

10:48 <chadmed> but eventually marcan wants to package up an ALARM roofts i believe

10:49 <rkt> ALARM = Arch Linux ARM?

10:49 <j_ey> yeah

10:49 <rkt> okay, I have never use Arch Linux yet. Looking forward to use it

10:50 <j_ey> rkt: what are you using?

10:50 <rkt> Ubuntu

10:51 <rkt> In my Intel based iMac

12:05 <kettenis> does the capslock led work with the corellium keyboard driver?

12:06 <j_ey> gimme a minute

12:06 <j_ey> or 10 actually, gotta rebuild the kernel

12:09 <rkt> j_ey: Do you using IRC clieent and also build the kernel in the same Mac?

12:10 <rkt> j_ey: Can you post a screenshot of your Linux Desktop running on a M1 mac?

12:10 <j_ey> rkt: no. i have a different machine that is buildin the kernel

12:10 <j_ey> rkt: I dont have x11 on my mac yet. but alyssa posted screenshots on twitter, ill find them

12:11 <rkt> j_ey: Thank you in advance.

12:11 <j_ey> https://twitter.com/alyssarzg/status/1432927311058194436/photo/1

12:11 <rkt> Cool, Debian on M1 Mac Mini

12:12 <j_ey> yep!

12:13 <sven> hopefully in a year or so once all our patches are upstreamed and once they then have then propagated to the distribution kernels pretty much any distro should work

12:18 <rkt> sven: Asahi would be always a linux kernel, and it depends to linux distro to adapt Aashi by themselves? Or at the end, Asahi will be another linux distro?

12:29 <chadmed> well it wont be "a" linux kernel because all the working and high-quality patches get upstreamed as a matter of policy (good policy)

12:29 <chadmed> so any ARM distro with their default kernel will eventually work OOB because their kernels come from upstream

12:30 <sven> most of the adapting will happen automatically

12:30 <j_ey> assuming they enable the configs..

12:30 <sven> it just takes a while because most distros are N months behind the latest kernel

12:30 <sven> and also because it takes us a while to get the patches into a shape until they're accepted

12:30 <chadmed> havent used anything but gentoo in years but dont most binary distro kernels just have everything enabled as modules and build an initramfs based on lspci/lshw?

12:30 <j_ey> sven: and they use LTS kernels

12:30 <sven> true

12:31 <j_ey> chadmed: you still need ARCH_APPLE, for example

12:31 <sven> so yeah, it'll take another 1-2 years until you can just take any distro. but long before then there will be a bit more bleeding-edge distro "forks" you can use

12:31 <j_ey> kettenis: yes

12:32 <sven> which will mostly really just be a different kernel + maybe some additional userland packages (to e.g. handle the SEP)

12:33 <j_ey> kettenis: although it seems like it might be handled by the hw itself?

12:34 <chadmed> i wouldve thought its software since macos can modify the behaviour of the caps lock key, e.g. you can short press it to change to japanese ime which does not turn on the light, but then long press it for caps lock which does turn on the light

12:34 <chadmed> and even by default a press shorter than some amount of milliseconds will not activate it

12:35 <j_ey> uhh, yeah sorry, it seems to be handled via spi, not via gpio/pinctrl

12:37 <j_ey> (and that part wasnt changed by corellium, iirc)

12:38 <chadmed> yeah applespi sends a command to the keyboard to turn it on just checked

12:46 <kettenis> right; trying to get the spi driver going on OpenBSD

12:46 <kettenis> and the command to turn on the led seems a useful simple testcase ;)

12:49 <j_ey> kettenis: good luck!

12:50 <chadmed> lol the number of unknown fields in the applespi command structs

12:51 <chadmed> really indicative of the level of interest in intel macs ;)

12:51 <j_ey> they cant be that useful :P

12:56 <rkt> kettenis: You are tring go make a OpenBSD for running on M1 Mac?

13:01 <kettenis> already running

13:02 <chadmed> rkt: most (all?) of the code written as part of asahi is dual licensed under MIT so with some changes it can feed the pufferfish without problems

13:02 <rkt> kettenis: Did you submit your patch to upstream already?

13:03 <j_ey> rkt: yes! https://www.openbsd.org/70.html

13:04 <rkt> chadmed: Dual license, 1, GPLv2 2, MIT?

13:04 <chadmed> gpl2 and mit yeah

13:04 <chadmed> has to be gpl2 for linux

13:07 <kettenis> the main reason it isn't fully supported yet is because the linux folks are slacking ;)

19:50 <sven> :D

21:49 <kode54> Chainsaw: LG 24"

21:49 <kode54> 4k60 though

21:51 <Chainsaw> I'd be suspicious of the HDMI cable being out of spec for 4k60. Have you tried another?

23:10 <kode54> it's not an HDMI cable

23:10 <kode54> it's a USB-C to DP cable

23:12 <kode54> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075V27G2R/ this one

23:13 <kode54> oh joy, it's gues 26 underscores