#dri-devel on 2024-09-03 — irc logs at oftc.irclog.whitequark.org

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03:27 <Lynne> I hate how YUV formats are treated in Vulkan and by driver devs

03:28 <Lynne> the whole committee pretty much agreed "why on earth would anyone want to do anything to YUV images that doesn't involve immediately converting them to RGB?"

03:30 <Lynne> the spec outright REQUIRES each YUV image to be accompanied by a YUV sampler, even if its identity

03:31 <Lynne> transferring? okay, fine, here, don't complain, you have flags that let you upload to each plane

03:32 <Lynne> sampling? well I guess you may need it in your toy video player which copied YUV->RGB formulae from wikipedia

03:32 <Lynne> storage? STORAGE? are you nuts? no, most definitely not!

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03:39 <Company> Lynne: what do you want to do with them?

03:40 <Lynne> I want to have them usable as storage images

03:40 <Lynne> to do so, I need the extended usage flag

03:40 <Lynne> and the storage image flag

03:40 <Company> the YUV image or the individual plane?

03:40 <Lynne> but most drivers don't signal they allow this

03:41 <Lynne> individual planes of course

03:41 <Lynne> I had to go vendor by vendor to ask them to support this

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03:41 <Company> I think that's fair

03:42 <Lynne> then when vulkan decoding came about, this broke due to needing images to be usable as both decode sources and everything else, so I did it again

03:42 <Lynne> and now the same exact situation happens with the encode extension

03:42 <Company> it's not what application devs would like, but the specs are so huge that devs try to limit the scope they need to deal with

03:43 <Company> I'm running into that from time to time, too

03:45 <Company> currently with dmabuf export from GL

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03:45 <Company> previously with import of various dmabuf fourccs (usually video ones)

03:45 <Company> some simple GL extensions were missing

03:47 <Company> you should try not to do weird new stuff - write a game engine maybe ;)

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03:58 <Lynne> I wrote an entire lossy comms channel simulator just to generate a few one-off LDPC codes in Vulkan, weird is my modus operandi

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06:56 <tzimmermann> javierm, hi

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07:42 <sima> agd5f_, hwentlan_ https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/CABXGCsNgx6gQCqBq-L2P15ydaN_66sM9CgGa9GQYNzQsaa6Dkg@mail.gmail.com/ maybe just a redirect to bugzilla needed?

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08:31 <sima> MrCooper_, apologies for filling the dri-devel mod queue ...

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08:41 <javierm> tzimmermann: hi

08:41 <tzimmermann> hi javier. i haven't seen you here in a while. are you still with us?

08:42 <javierm> tzimmermann: I'm yes, just busy with other non-graphics work

08:43 <javierm> I was in fact, planning to review your "[PATCH v2 00/10] drm/bochs: Modernize driver" today :)

08:43 <tzimmermann> i was talking with matthias about the QR panic code. do you have plans for that in fedora?

08:46 <javierm> tzimmermann: yes, with jfalempe we will enable DRM_PANIC for F42 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableDrmPanic

08:46 <javierm> QR panic is the next step

08:46 <tzimmermann> i see

08:47 <tzimmermann> i though it was your decision

08:48 <tzimmermann> not sure why

08:48 <jfalempe> tzimmermann: but we need to have drm_panic support for i915 / amdgpu / nvidia to be really useful.

08:48 <tzimmermann> jfalempe, ah right.

08:48 <tzimmermann> i though this was coming along well

08:48 <tzimmermann> thought'

08:48 <tzimmermann> 'thought'

08:49 <javierm> tzimmermann: I only added DRM panic support to the tidss driver to test jfalempe's patches. But has been leading this effort

08:49 <javierm> *but he has been leading

08:49 <jfalempe> there is one attempt for amdgpu, but it's only for only older cards https://patchwork.freedesktop.org/series/136832/

08:51 <jfalempe> I've also done a PoC for nouveau, but I need more specification on the tiling support, otherwise it works only on my testing card.

08:51 <tzimmermann> sounds like a bigger issue

08:54 <javierm> tzimmermann: hopefully by F42 release time support will be added to those drivers

08:55 <javierm> but as jfalempe mentions in the fedora wiki page, if the drivers are not supported, it just means that the panic won't be shown there so is not a blocker for DRM_PANIC to be enabled in fedora

08:55 <jfalempe> in fact un-tiling is not that hard, the hard part is to know the tiling format, as drm currently don't have this info (only hw/firmware knows).

08:55 <tzimmermann> javierm, about reviews. if you have the time (and energy :) could you go through the patches for generic client support? some of them are still missing a review and i think that all of the drivers are really maintained. my hope is that i can at least resolve the majority of patches and get everything merged for shmem, dma and ttm fbdev. https://patchwork.freedesktop.org/series/137391/#rev3

08:55 <tzimmermann> jfalempe, urghh. sounds like larger driver changes to me

08:56 <javierm> tzimmermann: Sure, I only reviewed the patches for the drivers I co-maintain since thought that pinchartl already reviewed the core changes

08:57 <tzimmermann> jfalempe, BTW. was it a mistake to put .get_scanout_buffer into plane_helper_funcs. IIRC i suggest this, but now reading the code now it looks like a drm_plane_funcs to me

08:58 <tzimmermann> javierm, thanks a lot. no need ot look at all of this. but some drivers have no review at all. but it's usually a mechanical change to each

08:59 <jfalempe> tzimmermann: I'm also wondering if we should limit to primary plane only. some drivers have to duplicate the plane helper struct for that.

08:59 <tzimmermann> jfalempe, i mean that if you somewhen decide that the func should rather go into drm_plane_funcs, i'd ack that

08:59 <javierm> tzimmermann: yeah, I figured due the changes for ssd130x, simpledrm and ofdrm that reviewed

09:00 <jfalempe> tzimmermann: ok I will look into it. It's better to do it now that there are only a few drivers that supports it.

09:01 <tzimmermann> i don't think it's problem per se. just saying

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09:10 <javierm> tzimmermann: can you remind the semantics of the drm_$object_funcs vs drm_$object_helper_funcs separation ?

09:11 <javierm> it's not clear by reading https://docs.kernel.org/gpu/drm-kms-helpers.html

09:15 <sima> javierm, so drm_$obj_func are the official driver entry points for uapi, given the driver full control of what's up

09:15 <sima> the helper ones are all optional if you hand roll your implementation completely

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09:16 <sima> I think judgement call where you want to put panic stuff since it's not directly uapi

09:19 <javierm> sima: thanks for the explanation. Then IMO makes sense to leave it in the helper_funcs vtable

09:21 <javierm> tzimmermann, jfalempe ^ ?

09:22 <jfalempe> Yes, I will leave it there then :)

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12:00 <sima> mripard, for the dsi discussion, see my latest reply, I got a bit confused

12:00 <sima> that should be a lot more solid ...

12:03 <DavidHeidelberg> eric_engestrom: did the MesaCI meeting time changed or it's still today around now?

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12:07 <sergi> DavidHeidelberg: It's at the same place, same time. I see you there, but not responding

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12:23 <javierm> tzimmermann: I've reviewed all the patches that were missing tags from your series. Patches 74-81 were less trivial but I couldn't spot anything wrong in those patches

12:23 <javierm> tzimmermann: I'm not that familiar with those drivers though so I just provided an a-b

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13:12 * alyssa wonders if we want a copysign alu

13:12 <alyssa> there are at least 4 "reasonable" ways it might be written, depending on $details

13:12 <alyssa> and which is optimal probably depends on ISA

13:13 <alyssa> it isn't in glsl, though, which makes me wonder if there are shaders that open code it

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13:13 <alyssa> (in which case it makes sense to algebraic rules to canonicalize all the different open codings and then backends can do what's best)

13:16 <alyssa> oh and ugh, signed zeroes :melt:

13:16 <tzimmermann> thanks, javierm

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13:40 <karolherbst> is there an API in vulkan to explicitly assign addresses to device memory allocations?

13:41 <alyssa> karolherbst: bufferdeviceaddress capture/replay

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13:41 <alyssa> though it's not intended for that..

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13:41 <karolherbst> mhhhhh

13:41 <karolherbst> not sure if that's helpful

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13:42 <karolherbst> I need something where the client comes up with all the addresses (and maybe even reserves a VM range the driver doesn't use internally)

13:43 <karolherbst> though I guess with enough wishful thinking it should work (tm)

13:45 <glehmann> that sounds like new vk extension territory

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13:46 <karolherbst> yeah...

13:48 <karolherbst> anyway.. I kinda need something like that from gallium drivers (including zink): https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/28785/diffs?commit_id=0ff2d1fed9cecbf42579da64e748e5e092f19856

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14:20 <alyssa> karolherbst: I assume this is for rusticl-on-zink?

14:20 <alyssa> because I'd rather not support this in honeykrisp if we have native CL, lolz

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14:21 <karolherbst> alyssa: rusticl on any gallium driver, but yeah

14:21 <karolherbst> this will be needed for cl_ext_bda and SVM

14:21 <karolherbst> or something like this

14:21 <karolherbst> I'm still playing around with what ideas are actually working out here

14:22 <alyssa> karolherbst: I meant the vulkan ext aprt

14:22 <karolherbst> ahh

14:23 <karolherbst> yeah.. not sure

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14:23 <karolherbst> it's probably not very important for cl_bda

14:23 <karolherbst> single device contexts don't need more than plain bda

14:23 <karolherbst> but the cl_bda extension can also be used where addresses are per device

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14:24 <karolherbst> it's just the "same address across allocations across different devices" which is the pain use case here

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15:55 <edolnx> Greetings! I've been testing Mesa 24.2 on RISC-V specifically for finding compatibility issues with the new ORCJIT for the llvmpipe backend. I have found a fair number of issues, and I wanted to see what are the expectations for this and what is the best way to report these issues. I'm also happy to help setting up automated testing since I have access to some hardware resources as well. Any feedback would be appreciated!

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16:07 <DavidHeidelberg> edolnx: connecting TronCI/LAVA farm to MesaCI is most welcome :) thou we'll need to wait before next Debian freeze (at least soft) to bump our CI. Current Debian release doesn't have risc-v support

16:09 <edolnx> Good to know, and I'll try to make that a priority within the RISC-V DevBoards group. In the mean time, are there any tests and results I can provide smei-manually? For example, glmark2 fails on the third spinning box test with a JIT error

16:09 <alyssa> dEQP

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16:10 <DavidHeidelberg> - piglit ^

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16:36 <edolnx> One last question DavidHeidelberg - what is the best way to engage with the TronCI/LAVA team?

16:38 <DavidHeidelberg> edolnx: #ci-tron channel for TronCI, for LAVA probably just here. sergi or gallo

16:39 <edolnx> Thank you!

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18:06 <airlied> edolnx: testing orcjit on x86 might also be valuable if there are regressions there, but also filing tickets for risc-v isuses, but there may also be LLVM risc-v backend things we can't fix and have to be taken up with llvm

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18:51 <edolnx> Good to know airlied and I will start doing some regression testsing. The good news is that it's all in the softpipe/llvmpipe so it's much easier to test in x86_64 VMs :D

18:53 <edolnx> Right now I'm just getting some very generic JIT error messages, is there some way via a compile time flag or environment variable to get a more verbose one for bug reporting purposes?

18:54 <airlied> don't think there is on llvmpipe side, often compiling llvm with debug/asserts can produce more

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