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<mangix> anyone have any idea what this s_env thing is?
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<ynezz> BTW did anything changes wrt to closing issues from commits https://github.com/openwrt/openwrt/issues/9315 ?
<ynezz> s/changes/changed/
<ynezz> Fixes: doesn't work either https://github.com/openwrt/openwrt/issues/9345
<stintel> maybe that logic doesn't trigger on push but only on PR merge?
<stintel> dunno
<neggles> https://lwn.net/Articles/885729/ this is cool and good
<stintel> it's not
<stintel> Subscription required
<neggles> oh
<stintel> next domain to throw in my blacklist
<neggles> i mean
<neggles> the subscription is $2.50 or something and the site has no ads
<neggles> lwn is good
<neggles> and only some stuff is paywalled
<neggles> dwfreed: i was about to do that, but that works :P
<dwfreed> lwn articles that go in the weekly news are paywalled for a week before becoming public
<stintel> interesting. I packaged something to help me figure out why my dropped packets counter is increasing
<neggles> dwfreed: ahhhh ok
<neggles> i didn't realize it was a week
<neggles> i'd like them to keep existing so they can have a few bucks a month
<neggles> anyway
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<stintel> the userspace part is called dropwatch
<f00b4r0> silly question maybe but is it ok to sysupgrade a squashfs+f2fs sd card where the rootfs_data (f2fs) has been manually expanded?
<stintel> fyi, it didn't help me find the reason
<stintel> f00b4r0: if it works, you'll end up with the f2fs package being back to CONFIG_TARGET_ROOTFS_PARTSIZE
<stintel> s/package/partition/
<f00b4r0> stintel: that's what I was worried about. Thanks!
<stintel> make a backup, and build an image with the desired size in that symbol
<f00b4r0> except AIUI the image builder cannot adjust that value, can it?
<stintel> can't answer that, never used IB before
<f00b4r0> (tbh I'm not sure why we use such utterly small rootfs_data partition sizes for sd card targets)
<stintel> the larger the slower
<f00b4r0> what do you mean?
<stintel> flashing / sysupgrade
<stintel> e.g. 1GB will have multiple minutes of downtime on sysupgrade
<stintel> that's annoying if this is your main router or only AP
<f00b4r0> ah. I don't know how sysupgrade operates on these targets so it's not clear to me what's at play
<stintel> afaik it's a sync dd
<f00b4r0> i see
<stintel> on my apu2 I had an extra partition after the OpenWrt partitions
<stintel> and I used those for uxc containers
<f00b4r0> interesting. I thought anything that came after openwrt partitions would be wiped on upgrade
<stintel> just need to make sure not to change the OpenWrt boot or rootfs partition sizes then ;)
<f00b4r0> ah that's it :)
<stintel> I think the partition table is only recreated if it differs from the previous one
<stintel> not sure though, but I've used this for years and am still using it on my apu2 in Belgium
<f00b4r0> i'll check that out
<stintel> and you can always experiment a bit in an x86 vm
<f00b4r0> oh, that's a good point indeed
<f00b4r0> didn't think of that
<stintel> although different targets have different sysupgrade logic so you could still hit something you didn't encounter before
<stintel> there's definitely room for improvement there
<f00b4r0> sounds like it. I might take a deeper look since I do have some incentive now :)
<stintel> there are a few (sub)targets using scripts/gen_image_generic.sh
<f00b4r0> and I'm expecting my KS Mochabin-5G soon too, so another interesting playground
<stintel> and some using legacy_sdcard_*
<stintel> and maybe talk to Daniel Golle about the subject :)
<f00b4r0> ok, will do :)
<stintel> something something EFI something
<stintel> ah and/or GPT vs BIOS
<stintel> iirc that's why we renamed it to *legacy*_sdcard_*
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<f00b4r0> makes sense. Right now I'm dealing with a rockchip device (nanopi R2S - surprisingly capable thing), not touching x86 yet. But I will eventually for $$ reasons :)
<stintel> I think you can throw a kernel in a GPT partition without filesystem, so no more dealing with vfat
<stintel> stuff like that
<stintel> ahh, I need to send v2 of EAP615
<mangix> So windows has slow I/O
<f00b4r0> hmm. Looking at .2 changelog it seems I can entirely skip this release. "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" :)
<user95> stintel: regarding the downtime while flashing, I'm currently working on a new lab network built around an openwrt core/edge router. one idea that came to mind is to use a super-minimal base image that does just one thing: run the actual openwrt distro in docker or lxd
<user95> bindmount config dirs into the container. when sysupgrade time comes, just push an updated image and tell docker to switch to the new one
<stintel> user95: I have 2x Firebox M300, conntrackd and keepalived :)
<stintel> paying extra for fast SD/uSD helps too
<f00b4r0> stintel: did you manage to upstream support eventually? I haven't been paying attention :)
<stintel> f00b4r0: yes, qoriq is in master
<f00b4r0> awesome. I need to hunt ebay then :)
<stintel> they can be found for < 100 :P
<stintel> maybe that was for the m200
<stintel> ah no, there are some < 100 EUR
<f00b4r0> most in the US tho ;P
<stintel> mattytap is looking into the proper musl ppc64 asm fix for checking AT_HWCAP for altivec support at runtime
<stintel> once that lands in musl we can add support for the m200 also
<f00b4r0> nice!
<stintel> and at some point I'll pick up the Adtran BSAP3040 donated to me by Slimey and work on support for that too
<f00b4r0> i've just setup an ebay alert :D
<user95> stintel, holy shit what are you routing? those look like pcengine APU's much bigger, much badder, totally psycho stepbrother :o
<stintel> user95: just my "home" network
<stintel> but I have 1000/600 ftth
<stintel> granted, I went a bit nuts the last few years
<user95> stintel, if I may ask - have you ever run *sense?
<f00b4r0> hehe
<Borromini> stintel: is that a supported target already, the Adtran with its NXP SoC?
<stintel> my main switch is a Huawei S6720-32C-PWH-SI with dual 1150w psu, it can deliver full PoE++ power on all 24 ports :P
<stintel> user95: I probably briefly looked at it at some point, but I never really like bsd
<stintel> liked*
<f00b4r0> poe-powered toasters will be a thing soon enough :>
<stintel> hahaha
<user95> stintel, actually the bsd network stack can do some nice things wrt packet mangling
<stintel> I have a unifi switch flex under my desk, it's powered by the huawei, and powers a Cisco 7941 IP phone, a Netgear GS108Tv3 and then a spare port for when I'm working on something
<stintel> it's super convenient
<f00b4r0> neat indeed
<stintel> then the EAP615-Wall is equally neat
<stintel> I bought 2 USW Flex to power an AP and extra switch behind my media cabinet, but that one was replaced by an EAP615-Wall and a switch on the poe passthrough port
<stintel> hoping something similar comes out with 2.5/5/10GbE PoE-PD uplink and passthrough and 4x4 or more
<user95> I'm a sucker for those tiny tp-link boxen. spent the better part of xmas holidays 2016 with some TL-MR3020s and a soldering iron
<stintel> I have a few TP-Link OC200 but they're extremely frustrating to work with
<mangix> user95: i remember i bricked mine.
* Borromini is happy to have a SOIC clip
<user95> mangix, I still have a bricked one on a shelf somewhere. yes, I also have a SOIC clip. but I also have GL.inet AR300ext now
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<user95> stintel, what do you think of openwisp?
<mangix> this is why friends don't let friends use routers without breed
<stintel> user95: haven't tried
<stintel> without breed?
<mangix> third party bootloader for mips routers
<stintel> alright, eap615-wall v2 sent out
<stintel> now some offscreen time
<stintel> enjoy your weekends folks
<user95> you too
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<neggles> pfsense is a disaster... it can't decide if it wants to use dnsmasq or unbound, so it leaves that up to you, and it also has zero support for being behind a DHCP relay...
<neggles> very little you learn from setting up pfsense can be used on anything else T_T
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<user95> neggles: agreed, pfsense doesn't make it easy to learn transferrable knowledge. it does make it easy to get done what you intended in the first place though
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<neggles> user95: debatable. i'd sooner put OpenWrt or VyOS on anything you might put pfSense on (or the free-home-use sophos XG appliance software, but OpenWrt is superior to that in quite a few ways)
<neggles> there are several things it straight-up cannot do
<neggles> things which are quite common, like "can't be the DHCP server behind a DHCP relay because it's impossible to configure a DHCP server without an interface, and impossible to add an IP pool in a subnet that's not available on a connected interface"
<neggles> the documentation is frankly crap, it's not particularly intuitive, and while it's technically open-source you can't actually build a functioning ISO image from the public sources
<neggles> if VyOS had a decent webui pfsense would be totally redundant...
<neggles> i'm sure it works fine for a lot of people, reddit loves it (though that's a point against it in my book :P) but I find it intensely frustrating to use for even simple things... YMMV I guess
<user95> TBH I was quite happy with pf, later opnsense on my home router (x86 passive cooled, MSI windbox)... it made a complex multi vlan, multi wan config with numerous services achievable without getting to know all the command line args and various config file stanzas by heart...
<user95> then they dropped i386 support and I went all openwrt (was already running it on APs)
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<Slimey> successfully migrated our edge switches from 3850-12XS-E to 9500-12Q-A
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<takimata> so I don't know who to report this to, or if it even makes any sense, but just in case it does and it points to some glitch in the build system:
<takimata> on 21.02.1 x86-64 squashfs-combined-efi images, df reports the overlayfs filled with ~58 MB (with /overlay just having some 50 KB of files)
<takimata> doesn't happen with 21.02.2 ... so it's not a problem, but it's ... weird.
<takimata> if that's something that has been fixed in the last few months, please ignore and sorry for the noise.
<takimata> (I was just wondering why the heck my overlay is already 2/3rds full with me barely having installed any packages or edited any files.)
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<takimata> https://pastebin.com/N3syNLrJ <-- both completely fresh installs
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