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<pq> i509VCB, yeah, assuming the application actually writes linear (optical) values in the buffer. Do you know if apps do that? Does Vulkan forbid writing non-linear (electrical) values into non-SRGB formats?
<pq> i509VCB, I mean, if SRGB format means that Vulkan applies inverse-EOTF automatically, then with non-SRGB formats I would expect the application to apply inverse-EOTF manually (or not even use linear values to begin with).
<pq> ...writing into the buffer
<pq> sending linear values to a display server is usually avoided because you need more precision which meand bigger buffers for often no benefit
<i509VCB> No idea, this is all magic to me
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<pq> in that case, what SRGB vs. unorm a Vulkan application might be using makes no difference at all to the display server, so there is no need to even communicate that
<pq> I only know SRGB formats from OpenGL, so I may be making bad assumptions about Vulkan.
<pq> in OpenGL, it is the application's responsiblity to drive OpenGL in such a way that the display server gets non-linearly encoded pixels
<pq> the app can do that manually or by telling OpenGL to automatically encode (and decode when blending)
<emersion> vulkan SRGB formats will automatically linearize
<emersion> when sampling from, or writing to the image
<pq> emersion, you mean linearize on reads, and non-linearize on writes?
<emersion> yes
<pq> cool
<pq> that's the same as in OpenGL AFAIU, then
<emersion> OpenGL is lacking this for DMABUF imports
<emersion> well technically there's a spec iirc but not implemented in mesa
<pq> i509VCB, it is up to the application what kind of numbers it is emitting from its fragment shader, do they need the Vulkan/OpenGL implementation to non-linearsize (you use SRGB formats) or does the application take care of that itself (use unorm etc. formats).
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<i509VCB> Would the value that the vulkan implementation reports for VkSurfaceFormatKHR answer that question?
<i509VCB> 100% of Linux implementations report SRGB_NONLINEAR_KHR as the colorSpace per gpuinfo
<pq> maybe, I'm not that familiar with Vulkan unfortunately
<wlb> weston Issue #628 opened by () Weston is not receiving touch input (regarding touch input as mouse input) https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/issues/628
<i509VCB> Any pointers as to determining if vulkan is using linear or nonlinear pixel data?
<pq> i509VCB, read the application shaders?
<pq> and if a shader is just blitting from a texture into framebuffer, then you have look into where that texture came from. If it comes from a file, then you have to figure out how the file was created. Etc.
<i509VCB> So the answer to, "is A2B10G10R10_UNORM_PACK32 (or whatever numeric type) equal to Drm's Rgba1010102" is a maybe? (Vulkan's format codes are the opposite endian of drm FYI)
<i509VCB> By name at least
<pq> no, I think the answer to that is a strict "yes".
<pq> encoding is not a property of pixel format
<pq> even if Vulkan confuses that
<emersion> drm_fourcc.h doesn't know about SRGB or UNORM
<i509VCB> To be fair I am probably more confused than vulkan here
<pq> i509VCB, did you read "A Pixel's Color" yet?
<emersion> https://afrantzis.com/pixel-format-guide/ will tell you whether the format is equivalent, but won't tell you about SRGB/UNORM
<pq> i509VCB, maybe https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pq/color-and-hdr/-/blob/main/doc/pixels_color.md helps, but it might take a few read throughs.
<i509VCB> Well probably not best to read it at 3am, good night I guess
<pq> in Vulkan and OpenGL, SRGB vs. unorm is just a yes/no "should the API do an automatic conversion operation when sampling from or rendering to". This is not a property of the pixel buffer contents.
<pq> heh
<pq> This OpenGL/Vulkan API also has a caveat: you can tell the API to do non-sensical things. For example, your shader produces already non-linear pixel values, and you use SRGB format for your framebuffer: now your framebuffer will be non-linearized *twice*, which makes no sense.
<pq> But that's the cost, when the API must also reading/writing the pixel values both as-is and automatically converted.
<pq> *must allow
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<wlb> weston Merge request !914 opened by () tests: use rgb_diff_stat more and consistently https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/merge_requests/914 [Testing], [Colour management]
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<kchibisov> Is mesa supposed to damage gallium_hud itself or clients should just damage the entire surface in such case?
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